【求助】后天跟zd的洋鬼子辩论，附上藏青会的宣传资料求助
英语文章比较长，为了避免我翻译的疏漏和失真，斗胆将部分原文贴上（摘自藏青会文宣）并附上自己一点辩论的思路。
原文可参见外链出处
"Tibet has always 'belonged' to China"。。。 The Qing Dynasty (1644-1911): Beijing is opposed to past Western and Japanese imperialism, but sees nothing wrong in claiming Tibet based on the Manchu Qing Empire. This claim doesn't stand up either. The Manchu rulers of China were Buddhists, and Tibet's Dalai Lamas and the Manchu emperors had a special priest-patron relationship called Cho-Yon whereby China committed to providing protection to the largely demilitarized Tibetan state. Chinese nationalists may see this as sovereignty, but it wasn't. As the relationship became strained, China at various times exercised influence and sent armies into Tibet - but so did Nepal during this time. China expanded its influence in Tibet after 1720, as a powerful country dealing with a weaker neighbor. It later tried to occupy Tibet by force, violating the Cho-Yon relationship, but with the fall of the Qing Dynasty in 1911, Tibetans expelled the Chinese and the 13th Dalai Lama proclaimed Tibet's complete independence. Until the Chinese invasion of 1950-51, Tibet enjoyed full sovereignty as defined under international law: it had a territory, a population, a government exercising effective control, and the ability to enter into international relations (such as the 1914 Simla Convention with Britain, trade delegations to the West, and neutrality in World War II).
这比较好反驳，查一下明史对西藏有效统治的记载就可以，原文中从元史略到清史，看来有破绽可钻。而且清朝有驻藏大臣，有金瓶掣签制度，到民国有藏汉委员会，足以说明中国中央政府对西藏的主权有历史事实的支撑。至于说到with the fall of the Qing Dynasty in 1911, Tibetans expelled the Chinese and the 13th Dalai Lama proclaimed Tibet's complete independence则可以与伪满洲国相提并论，这是一个地方政府的反叛，作为中国的固有领土，中国主权和领土的变更必须得到中央政府的承认才可以生效。任何中国的地方政府都会有自己的固定边界，人口，有效管制的能力，以及对外交往的可能，但以上要素均不构成独立的正当和充分理由。正如中国在抗战前处于长期军阀割据状态并不能说明割据地区有独立的正当性。
The crucial subtext of Beijing's condemnation of Tibet's "feudal" past is a classic colonialist argument that the target's alleged backwardness serves as a justification for invasion and occupation. These are the politics of the colonist, in which the "native" is dehumanized, robbed of agency, and debased in order to make occupation more palatable or even necessary and "civilizing." China has no more right to occupy a "backward" Tibet than Britain had to carry the "white man's burden" in India or Hong Kong.
正如国际社会所承认的，西藏和香港均属于中国不可分割的领土，基于此事实现在的中华人民共和国政府作为继承中国法统的唯一合法政府，有权利和义务在包括西藏在内的中国领土上履行政府的统治，包括发展经济，提高人民的文化生活水平等。
To imply that Tibetans are incapable of developing their own country is insulting, condescending and chauvinistic. Nor is it proper to compare apples and oranges: Tibet five decades ago cannot be compared with today, since a free Tibet would not have existed in a vacuum in the intervening years. One only has to look at the model success of the Tibetan refugee community to wonder how much better life in Tibet could be if Tibetans were actually in charge of their own country.
这段感觉比较难对付。基本思路是，近代以降，任何一个国家和地区都不可能活在真空中，所以a free Tibet would not have existed in a vacuum in the intervening years没有任何现实意义。model success of the Tibetan refugee community只能用以说明当地的经济实力和当地政府的能力。当然，包括西藏在内的中国所创造的发展奇迹是中华56个民族共同努力，群策群力的结果，藏族同胞当然有能力与各兄弟民族创造西藏更美好的明天。但是，不顾西藏安定团结的事实，鼓吹国家分裂，鼓吹族群对立，民族仇恨，甚至鼓吹暴力活动，对西藏经济的发展和人民生活的安乐没有裨益。
好累。。。土鳖抗铁牛。。。
