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家园 【原创】戳穿中粉的谎言,兼指导中粉如何战斗(3)

中粉常用经典手段就是名人大法。

经常被利用的名人有,兆铭同志,毛同志,最经典的是胡适之同志。

920年,胡适罹患糖尿病和肾炎,在北京协和医院采用西医方法,久治不愈,被宣判“死刑”。朋友建议他采用中医方法治疗,胡适勉强应允,不料反而痊愈。结果,胡适又活了40多年,这把胡适推到了一个尴尬的境地。他一方面反对中医,一方面却是中医治好了他的病。在事实面前,胡适只好退而认为“中医不科学,很糊涂,但是能治病”。

乖乖龙,编瞎话,都不用打草稿。

看看适之同志自己是如何说的:

1961年他郑重申明:“在三十多年前(即1920年),我曾有小病,有一位学西医的朋友,疑是慢性肾脏炎,后来始知此友的诊断不确。如果我患的真是此病,我不会有三四十年的活动能力了。我并未患过此病。贵友说我有秘方可以治此症,此说全无根据。”又说“有人传说我曾患慢性肾脏炎,为中药治好,——其实都不足信。大概慢性肾脏炎至今似尚未有特效药。”([5]第10册3689页)1958年(罗尔纲文误作1954年[2]),胡适致余复洋的信中也否认中医的误传,说“其实我一生没有得过糖尿病,当然没有陆仲安治愈我的糖尿病的事。”只是 “曾见他治愈朋友的急性肾脏炎,……(慢性肾脏炎是无法治的,急性肾脏炎,则西医也能治疗)。但我从没有听见陆仲安说他有治糖尿病的方子。”(括号内文字是胡适原文。)([5]第7册第2671页)他还亲自对胡颂平说:“陆仲安是我的朋友,偶曾吃过他的药;但我没有害过糖尿病,也没有吃过糖尿病的药。” ([5]第10册第3539)

所以中粉的特点就是名人效应,贪天为功。

至于那位名医陆仲安,竟然连痔疮同盆腔脓肿都分不清楚,也算厉害的可以了。如果不懂就请其他专科医生,所谓丑不错,在街上乱逛就不对了。

一是说胡适“患痔漏,没有找西医开刀,而到上海找潘老太婆医治。”[2]幸而有胡适日记为证,这个说法是错误的。胡适曾患坐骨直肠脓肿、肛瘘反复发作,使他十分痛苦,日记颇详。1922年7月的发作,是在协和医院由谢元大夫动手术诊治的。7月16日 “陆仲安来诊看说是痔疮,今天谢大夫说不是痔,是一个Ischic Rectal Abscess”(坐骨直肠脓肿——本文作者著)。

具体可以看这个,是正式发表的研究,不是网络抄袭外链出处

回到这个话题中药对于糖尿病是否有效?目前证据证明无效。没有明确证明有效。

还是看看Cochrane Review,还是中国人做的,而且还是中医人做的,不要说鬼子,不要说外行,(当然中粉一直一致认为自己比中医药大学的人中),不要说人家欺负中医。是真正的行业内的做的。

[Intervention Review]

Chinese herbal medicines for type 2 diabetes mellitus

Jian Ping Liu1, Mei Zhang2, Weiya Wang2, Sameline Grimsgaard3

1Centre for Evidence-BasedChineseMedicine , BeijingUniversity of ChineseMedicine, Beijing, China. 2WestChinaHospital, Sichuan

University, Chengdu, China. 3National Center for Research in Alternative Medicine, University of Tromso, Tromso, Norway

Contact address: Jian Ping Liu, Centre for Evidence-Based Chinese Medicine , Beijing University of Chinese Medicine, 11 Bei San

Huan Dong Lu, Chaoyang District, Beijing, 100029, China. [email protected] . [email protected].

Editorial group: Cochrane Metabolic and Endocrine Disorders Group.

Publication status and date: Edited (no change to conclusions), published in Issue 1, 2009.

Review content assessed as up-to-date: 17 April 2004.

Citation: Liu JP, Zhang M, Wang W, Grimsgaard S. Chinese herbal medicines for type 2 diabetes mellitus. Cochrane Database of

Systematic Reviews 2002, Issue 3. Art. No.: CD003642. DOI: 10.1002/14651858.CD003642.pub2.

Copyright 2009 The Cochrane Collaboration. Published by JohnWiley & Sons, Ltd.

A B S T R A C T

Background

Traditional Chinese herbal medicines have been used for a long time to treat diabetes, and many controlled trials have been done to

investigate their efficacy.

Objectives

To assess the effects of Chinese herbal medicines in patients with type 2 diabetes mellitus.

Search strategy

We searched the following electronic databases: The Cochrane Library (CENTRAL), the Chinese BioMedical Database, MEDLINE,

EMBASE, and LILACS, combined with hand searches on Chinese journals and conference proceedings. No language restriction was

used.

Selection criteria

Randomised trials of herbal medicines (with at least two months treatment duration) compared with placebo, pharmacological or nonpharmacological

interventions were included.

Data collection and analysis

Data were extracted independently by two reviewers. The methodological quality of trials was evaluated using the parameters of

randomisation, allocation concealment, double blinding, and drop-out rates.Meta-analyses were performed where data were available.

Main results

Sixty-six randomised trials, involving 8302 participants, met the inclusion criteria.Methodological quality was generally low. Sixty-nine

different herbal medicines were tested in the included trials, which compared herbal medicines with placebo, hypoglycaemic drugs, or

herbal medicines plus hypoglycaemic drugs.

Compared with placebo, Holy basil leaves, Xianzhen Pian, Qidan Tongmai, traditional Chinese formulae (TCT), Huoxue Jiangtang

Pingzhi, and Inolter showed significantly hypoglycaemic response. Compared with hypoglycaemic drugs including glibenclamide,

tolbutamide, or gliclazide, seven herbal medicines demonstrated a significant better metabolic control, including Bushen Jiangtang

Chinese herbal medicines for type 2 diabetes mellitus (Review)

Copyright 2009 The Cochrane Collaboration. Published by JohnWiley & Sons, Ltd.

Tang, Composite Trichosanthis, Jiangtang Kang, Ketang Ling, Shenqi Jiangtang Yin, Xiaoke Tang, and Yishen Huoxue Tiaogan. In 29 trials

that evaluated herbal medicines combined with hypoglycaemic drugs, 15 different herbal preparations showed additional better effects

than hypoglycaemic drugs monotherapy. Two herbal therapies combined with diet and behaviour change showed better hypoglycaemic

effects than diet and behaviour change alone. No serious adverse effects from the herbal medicines were reported.

Authors’ conclusions

Some herbal medicines show hypoglycaemic effect sin type 2 diabetes. However, these findings should be carefully interpreted due to

the low methodological quality, small sample size, and limited number of trials. In the light of some positive findings, some herbal

medicines deserve further examination in high-quality trials.

P L A I N L A N G U A G E S U M M A R Y

Chinese herbal medicines for type 2 diabetes mellitus

We are still waiting for firm evidence on Chinese herbal medicines for treatment of non-insulin-dependent diabetes. Although the use

of herbal medicines for treatment of diabetes has a long history especially in the East, current evidence cannot warrant to support the

routine use in clinical practice. This systematic review evaluates the effects of various herbal preparations (including single herbs or

mixtures of different herbs) for treating people with type 2 diabetes. The review shows that some herbal medicines lower blood sugar

and relieving symptoms in patients with diabetes. However, the methodological quality of the clinical trials evaluating these herbs is

generally poor. The analyses also indicate that trials with positive findings are more likely to be associated with exaggerated effects.

However, the trials did not report significant adverse effects. In conclusion, herbal medicines should not be recommended for routine

use in diabetic patients of type 2 diabetes until we get scientifically sound trials. Testing the herbs in larger, well-designed trials is needed

in order to establish the necessary evidence for their use.

Chinese

简单翻译一下,

(治疗回顾)

中草药治疗二型糖尿病

JianPing liu 中医实证中心,北京中医大学,

Mei Zhang 四川大学华西医院

Sameline Grimsgaard 挪威辅助医学国家研究中心

联系电邮:[email protected] . [email protected].

(意思是不服气可以直接写信,不必自己乱喷)

发表日期:2009

摘要

背景

中医草药已经被长期使用于糖尿病的治疗,已经有很多的对照试验证明有效性。

目的

检验中草药对二型糖尿病患者的疗效

检索方法

检索了The Cochrane Library (CENTRAL), the Chinese BioMedical Database, MEDLINE,EMBASE, and LILACS,数据库还有手工检索了中文期刊和会议报告。没有语言限制。(这个中粉没有话说了吧!能够作为证据的试验都找到了,从文献检索的校对没有任何额外的可能性了)

选择标准

中药随机试验(至少两个月)对比安慰剂,药物和非药物试验。

数据收集和分析

两个回顾者提取文献,实验设计的质量按照,随机原则,分组原则,双盲,还有患者推出率。对数据进行整合分析。

主要结果

66个随机试验,一同8302个参与者,符合条件。试验设计整体讲是低的。69种不同的中药被同安慰剂,降糖药或者降糖药+中药比较。

同安慰剂比较:Holy basil leaves, Xianzhen Pian, Qidan Tongmai, traditional Chinese formulae (TCT), Huoxue Jiangtang

Pingzhi, and Inolter有明显的降糖反应。

同降糖药甲磺吡脲,甲苯磺丁脲,格列本脲比较,包括Bushen Jiangtang Tang, Composite Trichosanthis, Jiangtang Kang, Ketang Ling, Shenqi Jiangtang Yin, Xiaoke Tang, and Yishen Huoxue Tiaogan 的七种有更好的代谢率控制。29个实验报告用中药加降糖药比单用降糖药好。两个中药加饮食控制,生活习惯改变要好于单用饮食控制,生活习惯改变。没有严重的副作用报告。

看到这里中粉一定兴奋的毛都竖起来了吧!看看作者的结论吧!

作者结论

一些中药表现出降糖的作用,但是这些发现应当小心的加以解释,主要是因为比较低的实验设计,小的样本数量,和有限的试验数。有鉴于一些正性的发现,某些中药值得继续在高水平的试验中检验。

感情人家还是不认可呀!

说明什么?即便是这些RCT也是非常不严谨,更遑提出个人的所谓经验,经历了。

最后看看到底这些内鬼(从中粉的角度讲)想传达什么意思?

普通语言的总结:也就是大白话,有一说一。

中草药对二型糖尿病

我们还在等待肯定的证据对于中药治疗非胰岛素依赖型糖尿病。尽管在东方有长期使用中药治疗糖尿病的历史,但是现在的证据不确保支持在临床中常规使用。(还是不支持)这个系统回顾评估了不同中药制剂(单方,复方)中药治疗二型糖尿病。本回顾显示一些中药可以降血糖和缓解症状。但是,总体上讲所有的试验审计都比较低。分析也显示有正性结果的试验大多同夸大结果相关。尽管试验没有报告明显的反面作用。总之,中药不应当被推荐为常规临床使用来治疗二型糖尿病,直到我们发现有力的试验证明。为了取得必须的证据支持使用中药,进行大规模,良好设计的试验是必须的。

这已经是非常有礼貌的拒绝了,如果任何中粉还能看出来人家支持你,那么就可以去异度空间生存了。

去看德国砍人。


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