主题：建立在新闻发布会内容翔尽真实的基础上，瓮安事件流程推测 -- 故园湾里
家园 Again: why 死了人提什么要求都合理？ Why you think in such way that I claim above?
Let 's be objective---from the common base--"to help the victim--either it is the local gov or the Li-
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家园 And plus the best way to 支持政府 is to improve their performance through your effort.
Criticization and open your voice to express different ideas are part of support.
As for disussion and exchange ideas with each other is the best way to learn from each other, to educate and to be educated.
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家园 You miss the point or mislead. IT is totally wrong:凡是反对政府的就叫有良心，支持政府的就没有良心. It is very important 特别要警惕谣言就很重要了.
So we need to find the common base to discuss this:
良心----To verify the truth based on limited info. You can get info from one side, however, you can only get mix info from the other side, then common sense and logic are needed.
家园 我认为跟良心没有关系 这不是说讨论的人都没有良心，相反，我相信大家都有良心。用良心来质疑别人是靠不住的。谁来做良心的裁判？你？
大家信息来源不一样，得到的信息也不一样，对同样的信息解读也不一样，你为什么觉得别人没有看到你看到的信息或者对信息解读淤泥不同就是没有良心呢？这才是我说你莫名其妙的地方。
西西河是个开放理性的论坛，你有不同声音发出来，有不同的证据摆出来，大家都看看么。你不同意别人的看法可以提出来，用证据告诉别人哪里错了，别人认同不认同是另外一回事，每个人判断的标准不一样的。你不能上来就说别人良心大大的坏了。我从来不指望从一个“有良心”的人那里得到全部“权威”的信息和看法？
家园 I never say别人良心大大的坏 Don't jump your judgement, I only emphasize that we should always keep it in mind and only with it, we can have the common base to discuss otherwise, it is meaningless on it
家园 我反对的就是这一点 我反复问你，你凭什么认定别人没有良心呢？这个问题你也一直没有回答。是不是跟你不同就没有良心？如果是这样的话，哪里还有什么讨论？所以我才说，你要真是想讨论清楚问题，就不要对别人下这样的判断。
家园 I never 认定别人没有良心--I am emphasizi I am emphasizing the common base to discuss: this common base is with this social 良心: we can agree to help the weakness and who really needs.
I never 对别人下判断, I am trying to verify the truth that we all have misjudge, no one is absolutely right--so no one is smarter than others.
家园 基于你的良心，你不相信少女是自杀的？ 认为公安的验尸报告是假的？
要知道李家自己也请人验过尸了，不知道为什么没有这份验尸报告（或者意见书）被抖出来？这个是掌握在李家手里而不是在公安手里的啊？
你用了victim一词，说明你一开始就不接受少女是自杀的这一可能性。基于这一立场，你才要求其他人多一点“良心”，不是么？
这个道德制高点可够高的。
家园 There is no 道德制高点, there in only common base where we can discuss 良心--to help those who needs help or at least call on helping.
As for the word "victim" means the one got hurt. She can be killed or commit suicide--either way still she is victim. I am waiting for the proof that she is not killed.