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主题:宽容和谅解···写在写《空军二次文革和后文革》之前 -- 潘涌

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    • 家园 蒋伟人宽容过别人么?

      蒋伟人宽容过别人么? 当TG对蒋伟人的不宽容成为历史罪状时,我很想知道蒋伟人宽容过别人么?何况目前也没有任何实际的史料记载了在战争后有任何有计划的普遍的迫害或者屠杀。事实上在解放后第一次授衔时,有很多原国军的将领,包括沈醉等很多人TG也没有他把他们怎么样,这不算宽容? 文革打倒的是一切党内党外走资派,和内战历史关系不大了。

      至于具体的某一个人,某些人,任何社会,任何历史都无法保证他们不受到打击。看看法国大革命,英国资产阶级革命等等,任何一个国家的动荡时期都无法保证每一个人不受到他认为的不平等的待遇。革命本身就是暴力的,一派对另一派的打击,非既得利益者对既得利益者的打击,哪里来的什么宽容和谅解。

      • 家园 顶风送花。
      • 家园 楼上说的好,其实给蒋介石立铜像也行,有个条件

        让他像李将军那样承认自己这一方的失败,命令国民党剩余军队放下武器回家种地去;自己回溪口好好待着,发誓不再动用武力跟TG对抗,那绝对给他立铜像。可他怎么干的?不说别的,败退时给土匪封了一堆将军和地方官并纵容其作恶,还搞了好多恐怖活动,就这也能跟李将军相比?李将军做法好比骑士,此人好比黑帮。

    • 家园 宽容需要实力

      如果我和上帝一样不高兴就可以发个洪水弄死这世界上的一切活物,我必然是宽容的。如果不是,参考救蛇的农夫或者救狼的那位先生。

    • 家园 叫一声潘大哥你的理忒偏

      如果当时能冷静下来,学学美国的办法,给败将蒋介石在广东立一个铜像,对败军和他们的家属不是采取格杀勿论的方法,

      东方人没有宽容的传统文化,何况当时败者不以为完败,胜者坚信指日可待,根本没有可能握手言欢。

      其实,竖铜像的机会多得是,随时可以。只要说一声,你们不用武器就能反攻大陆了,在二蒋时代,大陆台湾随时就可以合并,不论谁吞并谁,问题是,肯吗?

      • 家园 竖铜像

        At that time could be a joke. More pratical strategy might be to waive Qiang from war criminal list. They both have had too many killings before. Moreover, the country was not very stable-many people in the mainland were still waiting for Qiang's coming-back. I even don't think this is an issue of宽容. Eastern people have 宽容. See how both sides treated Japanese POW, and compare those in Siberia.

        "败军和他们的家属不是采取格杀勿论的方法" This is not true - Many of those家属survived, at least I saw many of them- Those sons and grandsons of KMD generals.

        The condition of making peace for both side is they play even, and neither of them can defeat another one. Unfortunately, Qiang ran out his military credits very fast due to various issues, such as serious problems in his military as well as the political system; other military lords didn't like him and didn't support him. The military balance between two sides was broken abruptly. Finally KMD even didn't get a chance to bargain with TG.

        I really don't think those big guys of two sides would not forgive each other. They might not hate each other at all-Hate in politics means nothing. They were born in such a time that only they grasp the chance of changing the history of China. As long as they have credits in hand, they would continue the game- to turn those possibilities into reality.

    • 家园 老蒋还没死您就给他立铜像?

      个人感觉楼主有时候常说一些很幼稚的话

    • 家园 有链接吗?

      文革初,北京大兴黄村发生的灭绝人寰的灭族血案

    • 家园 常听说美国人或是欧洲人的宽容,似乎是上帝门徒的特点

      可作为中国人,我从来没感受过美国的人宽容,所见都是他们企图用他们的无知规范这个世界。

      而欧洲人——我打过交道的,没有一个宽容的,倒是经常得我们去宽容他们,免得他们闹得太不成样子。

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