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      • 家园 发乎情,止乎礼。挺好。
      • 家园 这个很好啊!

        cavo,以前没听过的乐队,你给的youtube被墙了,我在外链出处这里找着了,很不错啊,不知道post grunge和grunge有何渊源,听起来还是挺接近的。grunge我还颇迷过一段时间的,我感觉如果说其起源来自金属和硬摇,倒不如说跟punk亲缘更近一点。nirvana大红大紫的时候,我听了很多。我很喜欢nirvana那种平静甚至是哀伤中突然爆发的感觉。kurt吞枪,可惜了。

        nirvana的unplugged in new york,不知你听过没有,整个演出都极棒,尤其是最后一曲‘where did you sleep last night’,真的是千古泣血绝唱,作为grunge乐迷不可不听呀!

        至于你分享的故事,我觉得很妙呀。其实对类似事情的看法往往在不经意间暴露我们对世界和生活的认识。

        正义联盟的老师们多半认为这世界是黑白分明的吧,或者,虽然明白世界的复杂性却仍然希望世界能够有朝一日黑白分明,并以此作为目标来要求自己,某些时候还会推己及人。我想,这就是理想主义者吧。

        于我而言,我知道世界是多样的、复杂的、甚至黑暗的,我坦然接受这样的世界,我从来不去想要不要改变、如何改变现状这类问题,与之匹配的,我的内心是有"256级灰度"的,所以我一再表示出对理想主义者的钦佩,那是因为我做不到,而且我也清楚要做到有多么的难。

        我就是犬儒,鉴定完毕。

        最后补充一句,还记得al pacino在闻香识女人最后的那段演讲吗?


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        • 家园 Al pacino的那段Speech怎么能忘掉呢,

          One of the best! To me, the best line is this one:

          ...Now I have come to the crossroads in my life. I always knew what the right path was. Without exception, I knew. But I never took it, you know why? It was too damn hard...

          Fleurs de rocailles, "Flowers from a brook." -- 有用过这样的香水吗?

          喜欢的话,那段speech就送你了,free of charge

          Trask: Mr. Sims, you are a cover-up artist and you are a liar.

          Slade: But not a snitch!

          Trask: Excuse me?

          Slade: No, I don't think I will. This is such a crock of shit.

          Trask: Mr. Slade, you will watch your language. You are at the Baird School now, not a barracks. Mr. Sims, I will give you one final opportunity to speak up.

          Slade: Mr. Sims doesn't want it. He doesn't need to labeled, "...still worthy of being a 'Baird Man.'" What the hell is that? What is your motto here? "Boys, inform on your classmates, save your hide. Anything short of that we're gonna burn you at the stake?" Well, gentlemen. When the shit hits the fan, some guys run and some guys stay. Here's Charlie--facing the fire, and there's George--hiding in big Daddy's pocket. And what are you doing? You're gonna reward George, and destroy Charlie.

          Trask: Are you finished, Mr. Slade?

          Slade: No, I'm just getting warmed up. Now I don't know who went to this place--William Howard Taft, William Jennings Bryan, William Tell--whoever. Their spirit is dead; if they ever had one, it's gone. You're building a rat ship here. A vessel for sea going snitches. And if you think you're preparing these minnows, for manhood you better think again. Because I say you are killing the very spirit this institution proclaims it instills. What a sham! What kind of show you guys putting on here today? I mean, the only class in this act is sitting next to me. And I say, this boy's soul is intact. It's non-negotiable. You know how I know? Because someone here--I'm not gonna say who--offered to buy it. Only Charlie here wasn't selling.

          Trask: Sir, you are out of order!

          Slade: Out of order, I'll show you out of order! You don't know what out of order is, Mr.Trask! I'd show you but I'm too old, I'm too tired, and I'm too fucking blind. If I were the man I was five years ago I'd take a flame-thrower to this place!! Out of order, who the hell do you think you're talking to? I've been around, you know? There was a time I could see. And I have seen, boys like these, younger than these, their arms torn out, their legs ripped off. But there is nothing like the sight of an amputated spirit, there is no prosthetic for that. You think you're merely sending this splendid foot-soldier back home to Oregon with his tail between his legs, but I say that you are executing his soul! And why? Because he's not a Baird man. Baird men, you hurt this boy, you're going to be Baird Bums, the lot of ya. And Harry, Jimmy, Trent, wherever you are out there, fuck you too.

          Trask: Stand down Mr. Slade!

          Slade: I'm not finished! Now as I came in here, I heard those words...cradle of leadership. Well, when the bough breaks, the cradle will fall. And it has fallen here, it has fallen! Makers of men, creators of leaders, be careful what kind of leaders you're producing here. I don't know if Charlie's silence here today is right or wrong; I'm no judge or jury. But I can tell you this: he won't sell anybody out to buy his future! And that my friends is called integrity, that's called courage. Now that's the stuff leaders should be made of. (pause) Now I have come to the crossroads in my life. I always knew what the right path was. Without exception, I knew. But I never took it, you know why? It was too damn hard. Now here's Charlie; he's come to the crossroads. He has chosen a path, it's the right path. It's a path made of principle, that leads to character. Let him continue on his journey. You hold this boy's future in your hands, committee! It's a valuable future. Believe me! Don't destroy it...protect it...embrace it. It's gonna make you proud one day...I promise you.

          • 家园 嗯,这段话说的那是铿锵有力。

            好莱坞虽然商业片不少,但是中间也嵌进了好多主流向上的价值观在里面。尤其是有些大片中主角的有些话语十分的有力,从英语和内容角度来说,的确是精品。

          • 家园 你标注出来的那一段,也是我喜欢的

            那部片子,前面所有的戏码,都累积到这段演讲爆发出来,故事本来平平无奇,Pacino一如既往的用力过猛的演出,在这里却恰到好处,成就了一座小金人。

            看了Pacino和De Niro最近一次合作的那部新片吗,不服老真是不行啊,跟这二位爷巅峰的时候相比,真叫人嗟叹岁月不饶人。偶像的黄昏啊,当年那两位永恒而经典的Corleone,怎么一转眼就成了这样呢!

            • 家园 是啊,岁月不饶人,不过有些人

              aged的graceful一些,有人则惨不忍睹了。

              我们家那位也很喜欢House,我跟着也看了几级,不错。其实美国的耐看的show还是有一些的,我一般不敢看,怕勾上了放不下!

              浏览了一下你的帖子,觉得你其实想表述的思想是“喜欢True men”,也就是北方人说的“像个爷们儿”的男人,而不是一脸油光的奶油小生,或是那种girlie men, mammy's boy一类。

              如果有志于做一个人见人爱花见花开车见爆胎的魅力坏男人,一定要具备相当的实力,至少包括以下几条:幽默,有趣,聪明,会一门以上的乐器…

              我认为会一样乐器可以waive掉,擅长一项Sports更重要些,体魄强健身手敏捷的男人才更自信。自信的男人才更具有魅力。

        • 家园 del

          del


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          • del
            家园 这回是认真的回帖,请读

            首先,你说我在回你的帖子时没有任何招式,关于招式,我一贯的作风是这样的:我这人有时候很没正形,说话阴阳怪气皮里阳秋的,但是对于内心有所敬重的对象,我就会收起这一套。另外,人敬我一尺我敬人一丈,别人跟我说的话是否真诚,我自信还是看得出来,对真诚的谈话对象,用任何招式都是亵渎,所以,我也坦诚相见。原因不言自明,调侃和所谓的幽默,都是壳,壳可以用来保护自己,也可以用来拒绝别人,但是某些时候是要有勇气自行脱壳的,这种勇气往往源于外界的刺激或诱导。

            我行我素,独来独往,这是我向往而不可达的一种境界,这让我的敬重更深一层。一年半载不来回我的帖,并不会使我失掉这份敬重,更遑论生气了。

            以前我一直以为摇滚乐是一种表达,后来才慢慢的悟到,远不止于此,摇滚乐这种形式承载的,其实是人生态度,与其他各种形式,并无高下之分,只有皮相之别。因此我更加喜爱摇滚乐,同时也喜爱其他的一些流行乐门类,而不再像年轻的时候那么偏狭,对某些流行音乐不屑一顾了。

            grunge音乐是我听得比较多的一种,不止nirvana,还有那个时代风起云涌的一帮子,如pearl jam,alice in chains之类,还有后来的foo fighter。另外,目前youtube仍然被墙中,好在互联网提供了无限可能,并不能阻挡真正有心的人。

            你又说自己心实口冷,并且提醒我小心,是的,我回你的帖子是小心的。因为你的文字有种让我收起一切调侃的力量。上次我写了个感悟,你的回帖是所有回复中我印象最深的,我当时便有肃然起敬的感觉,一直是另眼相看的。说句狂妄的话,这河里虽然大牛很多,让我肃然起敬并小心的回帖的,还真的数不出几个。甚至,在你的文字影响下我有点患得患失,比如你说你把人分成让你讨厌的和不讨厌的两种,读到此句,我竟然有种惴惴不安,担心自己被归于前者,直到看到你说很感兴趣才略为放心,不过仍然不敢肯定。其实这样失去自信的情形,在我身上是不多见的,这是一种什么心态,我现在还不太确定,结交之心是一定有的,还有些什么便说不太清,目前还在思考中。

            我的那个千层楼,也就是你说的小说,其实有两个人一语道破了。一个是嘉木,一个是王不留行。嘉木说是自我沉溺,王不留行说是自己给自己说话,都很对,不同的表述,到达了同样的层次。因此不看也罢,文字有很大的欺骗性,诚然,既可以用来欺骗别人,更可以用来欺骗自己的。

            死亡诗社,久闻大名的一部片子,不过我一直没看过。还有几部片子(如发条橙)也是这样,如雷贯耳,但就是下不了决心去看,我也不能解释这种事,天知道。不过虽然没看,我也知道Dr. Willson在其中扮演了一个角色。也许这次终能下定决心去一观了,谢谢。

            快乐的妖精,这话让我叹了一口气,妖精很难快乐的,除非生活在别处。舔食新鲜的伤口和鲜血这样的事,我已无奢望了。

            沉溺本身就是毒品,不但是害怕来势汹涌的那份遗忘的声音,更是害怕自己一日日的迟钝下去,感受不到爱的气味,甚至忘了自己还是可以爱的。House之依赖维可丁,小鱼之依赖沉溺,差相仿佛。

            你没有冒犯我,我很感激你能写下这些文字,真的。

            祝好。


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          • del
            家园 这一帖我认真的读了好几遍

            要认真的回一下,现在没时间,先做个记号。回头来修改。

    • 家园 不看不鸡道,世界真奇妙

      其实也没啥可奇怪的,坏男人一向有市场,即使清纯高贵如奥黛丽-赫本,前面爱上的三个也都是bad boys, 为“男人不坏 女人不奈”这句话做了个经典的猪脚。赫本那样的好女人都如此,小鱼酱紫的坏女人,就更不在话下啦

      说正格儿的吧,其实你爱的是特别聪明而又不失个性的男人。特别聪明的人容易滋养出big ego,如不加控制,就会显得玩世不恭、游戏人生、为人行事不依古格,表现出不在意他人评价甚至故意惹闹别人的倾向,这应该就是Dr. Gregory House了吧。还有一些不那么坏的聪明男人,比如克林顿,还有你的M总,他们依然保持了自己的个性,只是没有纵容这种个性,相信这样的男人依然对你有吸引力。所以归根到底还是聪明和不失个性。还有极少数聪明却充满神性、个性为神性所淹没的人,这样的男子大概只会令小鱼欣赏,而不会产生吸引力吧

      我觉得小鱼是个精力极其充沛、意志极其顽强的MM。绝少有女孩儿能连续三天三夜一边抽烟一边反复抓开自己的伤口,一般也就是哭一两个晚上、哭累了昏昏沉沉睡过去就过了最初的伤痛了。也绝少有女孩子在几年之后一边哭一边重新揭开往昔的疮口,一遍一遍地重温那种连心带肉的痛楚。当你的精力变弱一些,更接近普通人时,可能在感情方面会变得平庸一些吧。

      平庸,并不总是坏事

      • 家园 确实两人世界里需要regression一下才能稳定

        太聪明的人往往以聪明才气做配偶的主要标准。不一定是明面上的,往往是下意识的真实想法。可惜啊,一叹。

        交友其实也如此。

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