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      • 家园 谢谢您的雄文,有个问题还请您指教。

        南海的岛子我们到底占了多少?您说我们可能永远拿不到手了,就是说,即便我们将来海军空军牛起来也不能对那些岛屿实行有效控制?还是有别的原因呢?

        西沙打仗的时候,我记得有一个纪录片,里面介绍好多在南海诸岛上发现的我们的明清甚至宋代的瓷器,以此作为我们老祖宗在那里生活的证据,这是真的吗?

        • 家园 明天答复

          谢支持,明天发上来下一节,您和后边的朋友的问题都解释了。

          您可以把这个系列当笑话看,也可以把它当海洋法普及读物。我要说的,我们面临的问题,其实相当复杂微妙,我们也并不是总占理的。所以我想在后边写一篇“成也宣传,败也宣传”,但思前想后,不容易下笔。

        • 家园 据说大点的岛子基本都没捞上吧

          以后军事强了还能抢回来?我看不现实。

          至于考古证据我看比较没有意义

      • 家园 写得好,鲜花一卡车

        还真不知道这个南海的边界线是国民政府一个官员搞的,想必在东南亚邻居那里,也被称为什么罪恶的“麦克马洪线”之类吧。

        好像现在越南控制最多,中国控制了一个最大的岛礁,台湾也有势力。对不对?去年写期末文章原来还想写一写南海争端,可惜知道地太少了。为什么仙人不早点出现呢?

      • 家园 花!不过这句话说的我比较郁闷

        南海嘛,还有不少麻烦,也许将来会有很大一部分是外国了。

        西西能有仙人兄这样高产的内行人士,真是我们广大河民之福啊!

      • 家园 Map from attached link

        http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/schinatab.html

        • 家园 看来这是中越战争的一个重要原因

          “China has occupied 8 of those islands to enforce its claims. In 1974, China seized the Paracel Islands from Vietnam. ”

          抗美援越也不是没拿好处,从南越手上拿下西沙群岛,当然不会还给北越。越南统一后肯定会对“中社会帝国主义不满”。

      • 家园 Territorial claims in the Spratly and Paracel Islands

        South China Sea Tables and Maps

        Table 1

        Territorial claims in the Spratly and Paracel Islands

        Country Claim

        Brunei Does not occupy any of the islands, but claims part of the South China Seas nearest to it as part of its continental shelf and Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ). The boundary lines are drawn perpendicularly from 2 outermost points on the Brunei coastline. In 1984, Brunei declared an EEZ that includes Louisa Reef.

        China Refers to the Spratly Islands as the Nansha islands, and claims all of the islands and most of the South China Sea for historical reasons. These claims are not marked by coordinates or otherwise clearly defined. China also claims the Paracel Islands (referred to as the Xisha Islands), and includes them as part of its Hainan Island province.

        Chinese claims are based on a number of historical events, including the naval expeditions to the Spratly Islands by the Han Dynasty in 110 AD and the Ming Dynasty from 1403-1433 AD. Chinese fishermen and merchants have worked the region over time, and China is using archaeological evidence to bolster its claims of sovereignty.

        In the 19th and early 20th century, China asserted claims to the Spratly and Paracel islands. During World War II, the islands were claimed by the Japanese. In 1947, China produced a map with 9 undefined dotted lines, and claimed all of the islands within those lines. A 1992 Chinese law restated its claims in the region.

        China has occupied 8 of those islands to enforce its claims. In 1974, China seized the Paracel Islands from Vietnam.

        Indonesia Not a claimant to any of the Spratly Islands. However, Chinese and Taiwanese claims in the South China Sea may extend into Indonesia's EEZ and continental shelf, including Indonesia's Natuna gas field.

        Malaysia Its Spratly claims are based upon the continental shelf principle, and have clearly defined coordinates. Malaysia has occupied 3 islands that it considers to be within its continental shelf. Malaysia has tried to build up one atoll by bringing soil from the mainland and has built a hotel.

        Philippines Its Spratly claims have clearly defined coordinates, based both upon the proximity principle as well as on the explorations of a Philippine explorer in 1956. In 1971, the Philippines officially claimed 8 islands that it refers to as the Kalayaan, partly on the basis of this exploration, arguing that the islands: 1) were not part of the Spratly Islands; and 2) had not belonged to anyone and were open to being claimed. In 1972, they were designated as part of Palawan Province, and have been occupied.

        Taiwan Taiwan's claims are similar to those of China, and are based upon the same principles. As with China, Taiwan's claims are also not clearly defined. Occupies Pratas Island in the Spratlys.

        Vietnam Vietnamese claims are based on history and the continental shelf principle. Vietnam claims the entire Spratly Islands (Truong Sa in Vietnamese) as an offshore district of the province of Khanh Hoa. Vietnamese claims also cover an extensive area of the South China Sea, although they are not clearly defined. In addition, Vietnam claims the Paracel Islands (the Hoang Sa in Vietnamese), although they were seized by the Chinese in 1974.

        The Vietnamese have followed the Chinese example of using archaeological evidence to bolster sovereignty claims. In the 1930's, France claimed the Spratly and Paracel Islands on behalf of its then-colony Vietnam. Vietnam has since occupied 20 of the Spratly Islands to enforce its claims.

        EEZ = Exclusive Economic Zone

      • 家园 真真好文,我说呢。。。

        看着地图我也有点儿心虚

      • 家园 Military Clashes in the South China Sea over the Past Two Decades*

        Military Clashes in the South China Sea over the Past Two Decades*

        Date Countries Military Action

        1974 China, Vietnam Chinese seized the Paracel Islands from Vietnam, with 18 of its troops killed in clashes on one of the islands.

        1988 China, Vietnam Chinese and Vietnamese navies clashed at Johnson Reef in the Spratly Islands. Several Vietnamese boats were sunk and over 70 sailors killed.

        1992 China, Vietnam Vietnam accused China of landing troops on Da Luc Reef. China seized almost 20 Vietnamese cargo ships transporting goods from Hong Kong from June - September.

        1994 China, Vietnam China and Vietnam had naval confrontations within Vietnam's internationally recognized territorial waters over Vietnam's Tu Chinh oil exploration blocks 133, 134, and 135. Chinese claim the area as part of their Wan' Bei-21 (WAB-21) block.

        1995 China, Philippines China occupied Philippine-claimed Mischief Reef. Philippine military evicted the Chinese in March and destroyed Chinese markers.

        1995 Taiwan, Vietnam Taiwanese artillery fired on a Vietnamese supply ship.

        1996 China, Philippines In January, Chinese vessels engaged in a 90-minute gun battle with a Philippine navy gunboat near Capones Island.

        1997 China, Philippines The Philippine navy ordered a Chinese speedboat and two fishing boats to leave Scarborough Shoal in April; the Philippine navy later removed Chinese markers and raised its flag. China sent three warships to survey Philippine-occupied Panata and Kota Islands

        1998 Philippines, Vietnam In January, Vietnamese soldiers fired on a Philippine fishing boat near Tennent (Pigeon) Reef.

        1999 China, Philippines In May, a Chinese fishing boat was sunk in a collision with Philippine warship. In July, another Chinese fishing boat was sunk in a collision with a Philippine warship.

        1999 China, Philippines In May, Chinese warships were accused of harassing a Philippine navy vessel after it ran aground near the Spratly Islands.

        1999 Philippines, Vietnam In October, Vietnamese troops fired upon a Philippine air force plane on reconnaissance in the Spratly Islands.

        1999 Malaysia, Philippines In October, Philippine defense sources reported that 2 Malaysian fighter planes and 2 Philippine air force surveillance planes nearly engaged over a Malaysian-occupied reef in the Spratly Islands. The Malaysian Defense Ministry stated that it was not a stand-off.

        Table 3

        Disputes over Drilling and Exploration in the South China Sea

        Date Countries Disputes

        1992 China, Vietnam In May, China signed a contract with U.S. firm Crestone to explore for oil near the Spratly Islands in an area that Vietnam says is located on its continental shelf, over 600 miles south of China's Hainan Island. In September, Vietnam accused China of drilling for oil in Vietnamese waters in the Gulf of Tonkin.

        1993 China, Vietnam In May, Vietnam accused a Chinese seismic survey ship of interfering with British Petroleum's exploration work in Vietnamese waters. The Chinese ship left Vietnamese block 06 following the appearance of 2 Vietnamese naval ships.

        1993 China, Vietnam In December, Vietnam demanded that Crestone cancel offshore oil development in nearby waters.

        1994 China, Vietnam Crestone joined with a Chinese partner to explore China's Wan' Bei-21 (WAB-21 block. Vietnam protested that the exploration was in Vietnamese waters in their blocks 133, 134, and 135. China offered to split Wan' Bei production with Vietnam, as long as China retained all sovereignty.

        1994 China, Vietnam In August, Vietnamese gunboats forced a Chinese exploration ship to leave an oilfield in a region claimed by the Vietnamese.

        1996 China, Vietnam In April, Vietnam leased exploration blocks to U.S. firm Conoco, and ruled out cooperation with U.S. oil firms that signed Chinese exploration contracts in disputed waters. Vietnamese blocks 133 and 134 cover half the zone leased to Crestone by China. China protested, and reaffirmed a national law claiming the South China Sea as its own in May.

        1997 China, Vietnam In March, Vietnamese issued a protest after the Chinese Kantan-3 oil rig drills near Spratly Islands in March. The drilling occurred offshore Da Nang, in an area Vietnam calls Block 113. The block is located 64 nautical miles off Chan May cape in Vietnam, and 71 nautical miles off China's Hainan Island. The diplomatic protests were followed by the departure of the Chinese rig.

        1997 China, Vietnam In December, Vietnamese protested after the Exploration Ship No. 8 and two supply ships entered the Wan' Bei exploration block. All 3 vessels were escorted away by the Vietnamese navy.

        1998 China, Vietnam In September, Vietnamese protested after a Chinese report stated that Crestone and China were continuing their survey of the Spratly Islands and the Tu Chinh region (Wan' Bei in Chinese). (The dispute over this area was resolved by an agreement between China and Vietnam concluded in December 2000.)

        2003 Malaysia, Brunei In May 2003, a patrol boat from Brunei acted to prevent TotalFinaElf from undertaking exploration activities in an area offshore from Northern Borneo disputed by the two countries.

      • 家园 嘿嘿

        小时候,看中国地图的时候就觉得奇怪,怎么我们的海域就贴着人家的海岸线画的。

        才知道原来是这么回事。献花!

      • 家园 先花再看
      • 家园 先花再复

        真正好文,本朝当初所做很多事情,皆是一时之情,(现在也还有)完了就让现在这些人去头痛啊

        多谢兄台好文

        • 家园 有些事不能说只能拼命搞
        • 家园 不是总有人觉得只有老毛时期中国才有骨气吗?

          于是就选择性的忘掉很多事情

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