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    • 家园 国产自主进入军队公务用车的采购范围了。

      http://www.cchere.com/article/3967082

      这种认可总归还是能引领一定风气的。至少比满大街的军牌懒得酷路泽好。

      下一步希望政府公务用车向自主品牌倾斜。不一定非要抵制某个品牌的,只是自主的够用,就上自主的。

    • 家园 瑞麒G5 PK 奥迪

      点看全图

      外链图片需谨慎,可能会被源头改

      点看全图

      外链图片需谨慎,可能会被源头改

      碰到瑞麒G5,G6这类坦克,奥迪也架不住呀。

      这次是瑞麒G5 车尾 PK 奥迪 车头;上次是艾瑞泽7 车头 PK 大众 车尾。

      链接出处

    • 家园 观致3:第一个获五星级E-NCAP评分的中国汽车

      观致3:第一个获五星级E-NCAP评分的中国汽车

      Qoros 3 sedan: first five-star Euro NCAP rated Chinese-developed car

      作者:Constantine 发布日期:2014-01-07 浏览:加载...

      译文简介:

      观致3:第一个获得五星级E-NCAP评分的中国汽车

      译文来源:

      原文地址:http://www.caradvice.com.au/253375/qoros-3-sedan-first-five-star-euro-ncap-rated-chinese-developed-car/

      正文翻译:

      原创翻译:龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.com 翻译:Constantine 转载请注明出处

      论坛地址:http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-260571-1-1.html译者:原文里面是有碰撞视频的,但是因为是在youtube没法观看,这是E-NCAP的官网

      对观致3的具体评分和碰撞视频都可以观看http://www.euroncap.com/results/qoros/3/528.aspx

      Qoros 3 sedan: first five-star Euro NCAP rated Chinese-developed car

      观致3:第一个获得五星级E-NCAP评分的中国汽车

      The Qoros 3 sedan hasbecome the first Chinese-developed car to score a maximum five-star safetyrating by Euro NCAP, with results that make it 2013′s best performer to date.

      观致3成为第一个获得五星级最高E-NCAP评分的中国汽车,测试数据是2013年参加测试车型中最好的。

      The compact C-segmentmodel achieved an overall score of 88 per cent, scoring 95 per cent for adultoccupant protection, 87 per cent for child occupants, 77 per cent forpedestrians and 81 per cent for safety assist systems.

      在紧凑型轿车中以成人乘员保护95%、儿童乘员保护87%、行人保护77%、安全辅助系统81%的成绩获得了88%的总分。

      It scored maximumpoints in the side barrier test and for 18-month and three-year dummyprotection and pedestrian leg protection.

      观致3在侧面碰撞测试、对假人模拟18个月及3三岁儿童的防护与行人腿部保护取得了最高分。

      The Qoros 3 sedan’sstandard safety equipment includes front, passenger, side and curtain airbags,electronic stability control and speed limitation assistance and ISOFIX childrestraint anchorage points.

      在观致3轿车的标准安全配置包括前部安全气囊、乘客安全气囊、侧面安全气囊和帘式安全气囊,电子稳定控制系统与限速辅助系统以及ISOFIX儿童座椅固定点。

      The first productioncar from Qoros, an equal joint venture partnership between Chery Automobile andIsrael Corporation founded in 2007, the 3 sedan is produced in Changshu, China.

      这是观致生产的第一款汽车,观致是奇瑞汽车与以色列企业股份有限公司在2007年平等出资成立的合资公司,观致3在中国常熟生产。

      Unveiled at thisyear’s Geneva motor show, the Qoros 3 sedan is powered by a 1.6-litrefour-cylinder petrol engine, offered as a 93kW/155Nm naturally aspirated unitor with 115kW and 210Nm thanks to the addition of a turbocharger. Both enginesare teamed with a six-speed manual transmission as standard, with a six-speeddual-clutch automatic transmission optional.

      这款车亮相于今年的日内瓦车展上,观致3的动力是一个1.6L四缸汽油机,有93kW/155Nm的自然吸气发动机与115kW/210Nm的涡轮增压发动机可供选择,都以六速手动变速箱作为标准配置,可选配六速双离合自动变速箱。

      The Euro NCAP resultcomes as the brand prepares for the model’s upcoming European launch.

      E-NCAP的结果表明该车即将在欧洲上市。

      评论翻译:

      原创翻译:龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.com 翻译:Constantine 转载请注明出处

      论坛地址:http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-260571-1-1.html

      评论:

      Kev:Well done to them. :)

      Kev:他们干得漂亮。:)

      James:It is not Chinese any any aspect, all Europeanor specifically German engineers.

      James:这里面没有中国任何方面的东西,所有的都是欧洲特别是德国的工程师弄的。

      0o0:Qoros Auto Co., Ltd. is an automotivemanufacturing company headquartered in Shanghai, China and a 50:50 jointventure between Chery Automobile and Israel Corporation.

      0o0(回James):观致汽车有限公司是一家汽车制造公司,总部位于中国上海,是奇瑞汽车与以色列企业股份有限公司各出资50%组成的合资企业。

      James:and the lead/head designers and engineers arefrom? DRUM ROLLS PLEASEEEEEEEEE EX SAAB, VW and MINI haha....

      James(回0o0):他们的领导层、设计师和工程师来自哪?萨博、大众、MINI哈哈……

      th3Analyst:It's Chinese in every aspect. It's made by aChinese car manufacturer and funded partially by an Israeli holding companythat has zero car making experience itself.

      th3Analyst(回James):中国在各个方面都有,这是由一家中国汽车厂商制造的。以色列企业股份有限公司提供资金,它以前没有任何造车经验。

      James:and desgned and engineered by Europeans???This is basically like say a Panasonic TV manufactured by the Chinese...

      James(回th3Analyst):设计和工程上都是由欧洲人完成的。就像说是中国制造松下电视一样。

      th3Analyst:It is indeed partially designed and engineeredby Europeans employed by Qoros. However, that doesn't make it any less Chinese,the same way Hyundai and Kia cars aren't made any less Korean just becausetheir Chief Design Officer is German.

      th3Analyst(回James):观致确是采用部分欧洲人设计和技术。然而这不能说中国人是次要的。同样的道理也可以说对于现代和起亚汽车韩国人也是次要的,只因为他们的首席设计总监是德国人。

      F1orce:That's true. Like Hyundai/Kia

      You canthank German/Europeans for Hyundai/Kia's fast and dramatic improvement.

      F1orce(回James):这是事实。像现代和起亚。

      你要感谢德国人/欧洲人对现代/起亚的快速和显著的改善。

      James: No real surprise there, the Japanese had thesame strategy back in 60s when every company in Japan wanted a tie up with theWest Germans...

      James(回F1orce):这没什么好惊讶的,日本人早在六十年代时候就有同样的策略,当时每家日本公司都想在西德挖人。

      gibbut:euro in design. thats where it was cloned

      gibbut(回James):欧洲的设计,这是山寨货。

      42 = TheAnswer:VW Jetta cross BMW 3 Series? Good on themthough

      42 = TheAnswer:大众捷达与宝马3系的混合体?虽然它们都不错。

      NarpasSword:If you want to be REALLY mean you can say thatthe Qoros 3's doors look similar to those on the Chrysler Sebring.

      NarpasSword(回42 = The Answer):如果按你真正的意思你可以说观致3的门看起来像克莱斯勒的铂锐。

      Jon:Best performer in ENcap 2013, quite anachievement and difference compared to the Chery we get here..

      Jon:2013年E-NCAP最佳成绩,了不起的成就,和奇瑞的差异很大。

      Observer:Good effort, but I'm skeptical. Qoros clearlysupplied the vehicle as they've not began manufacturing and sales in Europe.So, could it be a one-of well built car?

      Looksfantastic. Seems to have performed well in this test. Guess if it passes thedrive reviews and is priced reasonably, it should do well…

      Observer:杰作,但我对此表示怀疑。显然观致提供的车辆还没有开始量产,没有在欧洲销售。所以会不会是一辆专门为测试打造的车?

      这车看起来棒极了。似乎在测试中表现良好。猜想下如果通过试驾测评而且价格合理,应该会大卖.....

      Justin:The car already went on sale in Slovakia,according to several other websites.

      Justin(回Observer):根据其他网站的消息,这款车已经在斯洛伐克开始销售了。

      Robin Graves:Didn't take them long to catch up. I thinkit's safe to say that the chinese manufacturers will be a force in 5 to 10years. I wonder who the next player will be to step up, the Indians?

      Robin Graves:不要忽略了他们长期的追赶。我敢肯定的说接下来五到十年内这家中国企业将展现它的力量。我不知道谁是下一个崛起的,印度么?

      Hung Low:Definitely the Indians, looking at theelectric concepts from Tata, I think their rising is not far behind.

      Hung Low(回Robin Graves):绝对是印度,看看塔塔的电动概念车,我认为他们也不甘落后。

      YangWang:India just has a electric concept while ChinaBYD'S electric buses are running in NEW YORK city as well as some other westernand south america cities. Also there are thousands of BYD electric taxis arerunning all over the world. If you compare BYD E6 electric car with thecompetitors such as NISSAN, MItsubishi and HOLDEN volt, you will find howrubbish are those cars in terms of endurance. E6 can last over 300KMs percharge while nissan leaf is just 170kms at most. This is not considering E6 isheavier and larger than a nissan leaf. If lucky, maybe we can see BYD inAustralia within 3 years. At that time, we will see a real, affordable electriccar not a short distance electric car like NISSAN or an expensive car likeTesla.

      YangWang(回Hung Low):当中国比亚迪的电动巴士运行在纽约以及美国西部和南部城市的时候印度就搞出个电动概念。比亚迪的电动出租车也在世界各地运行。如果你能把比亚迪E6电动车和它的竞争对手日产、三菱以及霍顿volt相比较,你会发现那些车在续航方面是多么垃圾。E6每次充电可以跑300公里而日产最多跑170公里就不行了。这还不算E6的重量和体积比日产更大。如果有幸我们将三年内在澳大利亚见到比亚迪。到那时候我将看到一个现实的能买得起的电动车,而不是像日产那样的短腿电动车或者像特斯拉那样的土豪车。

      Labryz:Yeap. Here come the Chinese like the Japaneseand Koreans before them.

      Shouldbe interesting to see what happens in the future. They have the money to throwaround and pick up some companies (e.g. SAAB) and use their engineering skills.Hire some good European designers and your on your way.

      But yeahI would say India is next. Especially considering Tata's ownership of Jaguarand Land Rover.

      Labryz(回Robin Graves):对,中国人会在日本人和韩国人之前来这。

      应该看看未来会发生什么有趣的事。他们挥金如土买下一些公司(例如萨博),并使用那些公司的工程技术,聘请一些出色的欧洲设计师。

      但是我会说印度是下一个,特别是考虑到塔塔汽车拥有捷豹和路虎。

      James:Chinese will cull sales from Korea which inturn will move upstream and cull sales from Japan. I don't think Japan can evermove up the chain and cull sales from the Germans (who are the highest in thecar manufacturing chain). In Asia it is a zero sum game, there will be winnersand losers.

      Inaround 2030 I predict China's top tier cars will sit somewhere between Japan'sLexus and South Korea's Hyundai.

      James(回Robin Graves):中国车将削减韩国车和日本车的销量来向上游发展。我不认为日本车能向高端发展超过德国车(汽车产业链的最高端)。在亚洲这是一场零和博弈(译者注:指参与博弈的各方,在严格竞争下,一方的收益必然意味着另一方的损失,博弈各方的收益和损失相加总和永远为“零”,双方不存在合作的可能。),会有赢家和输家。

      我预计2030年左右中国的顶级轿车的水平会在日本雷克萨斯和韩国现代之间。

      Aero:This is the Proton Prevé's Chinese cousin !Both have similar turbo engines, both 5-star safety rated, both good value formoney, but unfortunately, it will take them several years if not decades togain the trust of the consumers (especially in the developed markets). Hyundaimade their first 'good' car in 2004, the Getz hatch, but even today, theyhaven't managed to reach the consumer confidence levels of the Japanese, letalone the Germans. Time will tell.

      Aero:这是Proton Prevé(译者注:马来西亚的某款汽车)的中国表亲,两者都有相似的涡轮增压发动机,有五星安全评级,但是很不幸,它们几年甚至几十年都不会获得消费者的信任(尤其是在发达国家市场),现代在2004年发布了它们的第一款“好”车Getz Hatch,但是即使在今天它们还是没达到消费者对日本车那种认可度,更别说是德国车,时间证明一切。

      gibbut:still a bit worrying how the a pillarsdeformed

      gibbut:我还是有些不放心,有一根立柱变形了。

      中国自主品牌的汽车进步很快啊。一步一个脚印。

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