主题：【原创】我了解的八九十年代留学德国 -- 假日归客
家园 老铁这个对比方法不对， 楼主入学的92年，2500大约是一个讲师一年的工资；毕业的97年，至少是一个讲师4个月的工资。这个比例不比米国低。
而且，以92年的录取难度，楼主能从偏远乡村被同济录取，放在米国也是拿全奖、不用自己花钱的水平。
- 待认可未通过。偏要看
家园 虽说不是92年，有一个佐证 我一个同学合肥一中毕业，他的同学里有去清华的，中科大的，哈佛的。去哈佛的成绩不如去清华的和去中科大的。用他的话说，去哈佛读本科其实经济上更赚，一年三万多美元奖学金，只要考个托福就行。关键是小门小户的不知道有这个路子。而进了大学，同学都要出国读博，所以人人知道这个路子。我们小地方的更不知道这些。
在美国上名校更容易了。全美常青藤+MIT、caltech几个学校每年十几万招生，再看看美国人口，录取率比中国上同济高一点不奇怪。我有在MIT教过本科的前同事，他说他回国的原因就是美国人太蠢了，比四川的猪都要笨，教他们要气死。他是中学大学一路名校过来的，没见过国内笨人，说话有点夸张。但是说本科生普遍素质mit不如清北，几乎不会有人质疑。
家园 true and not so true 去哈佛读本科其实经济上更赚，一年三万多美元奖学金，只要考个托福就行。关键是小门小户的不知道有这个路子。而进了大学，同学都要出国读博，所以人人知道这个路子。我们小地方的更不知道这些。
For now this is no longer true. It could be possible in earlier years as these are very rare cases, and the so-called scholarship are actually need based financial aid usually reserved for US citizens only.
在美国上名校更容易了。
that is completely not true.
通宝推：武仙,家园 请注意，顶尖+本科+全奖 -- 有补充 拢在一起，这才是关键。少哪一个，都不难。
MIT，CalTech算，不是全部常春藤都算的。
作者 对本帖的 补充(1)家园 不是穷就一定可以，不是分高就一定可以 -- 补充帖 分高+穷+顶尖的，本身就很少，因为本科猫腻太多了，没有客观标准，分有一定程度的随意，能力可以随意，穷的判断也可以随意，捐款不能随意，这个绝对不能随意。
再来个全奖，太难。
总之，绝对不是 欲走还留 说的那么笃定。
你说的那个例子，你再去打听打听，不是你描述的那样的，不是。一定会有背后的故事，他干嘛要把所有的都告诉你啊。
见前补充 4643770 家园 this is simple not true the so called 一年三万多美元奖学金 is actually need based and targeting students from poor families -- which is very rare in Ivy level undergraduates.
And for 在美国上名校更容易了。全美常青藤+MIT、caltech几个学校每年十几万招生, this is mathmatically wrong. Caltech the entire undergraduate program has less than one thousand students, and for each year all departments and majors add together is 200+. The other HYPSM five "big Ivy" each school each year about 2000ish. So where can this 每年十几万招生 come from?
The competition of Ivy is most fierce especially for undergraduates. And the students of poor family background are usually no match for the more affluent ones.
Again, only the very poor are eligible for the so called 一年三万多美元奖学金
通宝推：武仙,家园 你还是用汉语拼音吧 你这英语我看你写着也挺吃力的，我们读着更吃力。我这英语不好的，都看出标题似乎语法就不对。
家园 飙英语了，吓死个人啊 https://www.collegeevaluator.com/ncaa-conferences/ivy-league/enrollment/
For the academic year 2019-2020, total 150,739 students have enrolled in Ivy League colleges including both undergraduate and graduate schools - 68,052 undergraduate and 82,687 graduate students.你给我们大家翻译一下？加上学术声誉相当的几个，美国不低于藤校的大学一年收十来万本科生有问题么？我是没有一个个数学校，只举了MIT、caltech两个，斯坦福也不是藤校，水平不差于藤校吧，在美国的不妨数数。我虽然土包子没在美国上学，但数量级不会搞错。
说完人数说钱，你觉得楼主在中国山村出来的，家庭够不上藤校或者任何一个类似藤校水平高校的奖学金标准？你知不知道very poor标准是啥？92年我们市长、县长都够那个very poor.
通宝推：学菩提,龙牡,布隆施泰因,家园 sorry no chinese input in computer for the very top schools there are top five
HYPSM (Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT)
the next tier very closely following
CalTech, Chicago, the rest of the Ivy --
Columbia, Dartmouth, Cornell, U Penn, Brown
and then the colleges that are "Ivy level" --
Duke, Rice, Vanderbilt, etc.
Grand total about 20 some colleges, and its not going to be close to 100K students.
the so called scholarships are all need base, no exception.
Another thing -- need based is for US citizens only.
For Chinese undergraduates its big business and a vital revenue source for these schools.
Graduate students are a very different matter
家园 俺的意思是说：如果楼主是美国公民，上学也是不用自己花钱滴。 您把讨论的起点弄错了。
楼主贫困县长大，非上海人能上同济，而且能保持专业前5，这个水平，如果生在米国，肯定是全奖的水平，不用自己掏钱上学，而且毕业无论到哪儿工作，都不用交培养费。
家园 there is a catch if someone grow up in USA, and being very poor, the chances of being admitted is quite low compare to kids of affluent middle and above social classes.
in recent years many top schools are doing window dressing by lowering academic standards in order to admit more of the poor family kids.
-- you may get tuition covered by need based financial aid, but first you need to be admitted.
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楼主贫困县长大，非上海人能上同济，而且能保持专业前5，这个水平，如果生在米国，肯定是全奖的水平，不用自己掏钱上学，
this is a valid point. students like this will probably be admitted by top schools and then most certainly receive need based financial aid.
家园 你的话压根不在点上：楼主已经证明自己是 可以被同济录取了。
92年在贫困地区，别说被同济录取、就是上大专也很难啊。
俺们母校俺那届，应届毕业生三个班，本科专科加一块就考了我一个，这个录取率低不低？