主题：【一唵谈】适合国人的无神论的人本主义教会 -- 唵啊吽

我本人虽然不信教，当年也非常反感宗教迷信，但是现在我觉得宗教确实能起到一些非常积极的作用，宗教所提倡的互爱互助确实能从一定程度上帮助精神方面遇到困难的人。因此FLG的成功不能说是没有原因的。

甲: how did you find about Humanism religion?

乙 : http://blog.wenxuecity.com/blogview.php?date=200607&postID=11677

in 1987

http://www.corliss-lamont.org/philos8.htm

Corliss Lamont was a professor in Columbia University, Philosophy Depart.

I read the his "Philosophy of Humanism". They are struggling with west culture. But for Chinese, Its a nature religion.

I once try to talk a philosophy professor in NYU, and he said China has the Humanism philosophy for a long time.

so its much easy for Chinese to grow the humanism religion than by the west. However, the west has a rich literature in humanism, in the modern terms.

甲:

Lamont's article a little too long can you briefly summarize for me?

8 minutes

乙: It reviewed a lot of famous philosophise in history, and augured that moral and ethic judgement can be established without super nature God.

The west hate Chinese in part is because Chinese do not believe in God. And the think every one without God is evil.

The humanism, if you read Lamont, is not accepted in the west culture.

So don't be afraid of getting American establish your humanism church,

They will thank you for doing so.

And developed Humanism in Chinese community, even in China, has a very bright future.

All Lamont want to proof is that Human can have a good moral and ethic standard withou God.

甲: Lamont has the same vision I have

with a slight difference

I understand God is a creation of humans to make themselves feel comfortable

just like Santa Claus is created to fool kids, adults created God to fool themselves

but if people find the notion of God comforting, hey, I'll give you that

According to western religion, God has power to give life, to create universe. And there is an entity in the world capable of doing it: entire human race

according to western religion, there is life after death. well, there is life after death: our children carry our genes and our knowledge. our life continues in our children

乙: So don't be afraid of getting helps from American to establish your humanism church,

甲: that's a good idea. I'll get help from them to start, but I can inject my own notion

乙: Humanism is an exception of all western religion

They will well come Confuciouse and Daoism literature to enrich their humanism ideals.

welcom, I mean

甲: cool. hey I got to go to lunch now. I'll check back with you soon

乙: They know China has long history of humanism.

甲：Thanks for the email. I have been contemplating on establishing a church for a while. A church that is more positive thinking, not a superstitious one like everyone else.

Traditional churches, east and west, all have this notion of a supreme being above us, who controls the universe, who controls our fate, and we have to obey their "rules" in order to get rewarded after death. While it provides psychological comfort to people who do not want to take responsibility of this word, it can also easily be taken advantage of by intelligent but manipulative leaders to control the mass population for their own political agenda.

We know very well the notion of God was created by human beings. And "God's rules" are created by leaders in the name of God. The reason religion is so popular is the mental happiness it provides to lazy people who don't want to work hard but want a comfort life after death. The good side of religion is when people follow churches' rules - generally good - society becomes relatively stable.

However, in case churches' teachings are bad, devotees can reck havoc in this world. In today's world, we see wars, conflicts, terrorism, all stem from bad guidance from some religious groups.

I think it is possible to establish a religion that would be universal, that is scientific and not superstitious, that will unite everyone in the word together, all the time having the same notion of a God All Mighty and life after death.

Now, let me know if that fits your vision and if you are interested in forming a new religion together with me and other Chinese activists. We can start within the Chinese community, unite the Chinese in America first, get more group power, gain status such as Jewish people. I have been searching for people with same vision for a long time to start some organization for Chinese in America.

乙：You can start a Humanism church If you are in US. I once saw on the net that you can get a start kit and certified minister for humanism religion. It is government recognized religion without supernature.

See http://www.aeu.org/ericson2.html

However, not every contry qualify humanism as religion.

甲：Thanks for the link. I never heard of it before so it is an eye opener for me.

However, it is still under some organization. Basically when you establish a Humanism church you will be under their guidance. I was thinking of establishing something entirely new, different from Humanism church. It's more of a scientific and contemporary doctrine, and a more positive thinking one than Humanism church.

Do you have any idea on how to establish a church for Chinese in America? You are the one who wrote the article about how importan churches unite different goups in the U.S. to gain political power, right?

乙：Please do a "Religious humanism" search. If my memery serves me well, there should be a start kit and certification so that you can start your own independent Humanism Church immediately.

From my opinion, (see http://blog.wenxuecity.com/blogview.php?date=200604&postID=319 and http://blog.wenxuecity.com/blogview.php?date=200604&postID=206) Chinese up hold Humanism more ready than the west. Once you started, it will prevail, just like Budhism is up holded by Chinese.

Of course, you can start a 儒教 church, but it will not be universal. Believe me, if you started Humanism church within Chinese, it will grow faster and eventually will be a major religion of China.

Some useful links:

http://www.americanhumanist.org/chapters/startup.php

http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/unitarians/sellars.html

http://www.humanistministry.com/

http://www.humanistministry.com/HumanistOrdination.htm

http://www.humanistfellowship.org/

http://www.croftpress.com/david/religion/optihumanist/

There may be grants can be applied to start a Humanism group. http://www.humaniststudies.org/fund/index.html

Here is a link that you can become a Humanism Clergy http://www.spiritualhumanism.org/