主题：【讨论】我们民族政策是否需要有所调整了？ -- 陈郢客

各省的公报有本省的民族情况

民族这东西，爷爷知道怎么回事，是怎么变的，孙子

就不知道了。

以清朝回汉大仇杀，里面的回族其实几代前是汉族血缘。

南斯拉夫的种族仇杀，其实波斯尼亚人，克罗地亚人其实

以前就是塞尔维亚人。闹独立成功的黑山人，更是塞尔维亚人。

只不过铁托的民族政策失误，处处分化优势的塞尔维亚人,

闹得互相仇恨，仇杀!国家分崩离析。

所以还得保证本民族的生育率，指望其他民族多生，然后

数代后想起自己是汉族人，那是不现实的。

整个观点新鲜。有证据吗？

按照现在的情形，60岁做爷爷，孙子不会不知道。

整个观点新鲜。有证据吗？

回族形成史，你不知道吗，这个球怎么滚大的？你以为他们都是中亚后裔？

你有兴趣可以在历史版发贴问。历史是我的长项。

60岁能做爷爷，但孙子少年形成意识的时候，爷爷却未必在。

即便爷爷知道如何，就能保证孙子如何？关键是意识认同

中国汉人能做假少数民族也不是没有理由的，肯定是母系或父系和

少数民族有关系。

假如沾一点边就算该少数民族，那么该民族就会如同回族一样，

直线扩大。而且毫不影响该民族意识认同。

按照你这种想法，世界上就不会分化新民族了。

一个塞尔维亚是如何分化成了黑山，波斯尼亚，克罗地亚，塞尔维亚

四个民族？难道他们不是爷爷带大的吗？

以清朝回汉大仇杀，里面的回族其实几代前是汉族血缘。

请别老是球来球去的。

Origins

Main article: Theories on the origin of Croats

The origin of the Croatian tribe before the great migration of the Slavs is uncertain. According to the most widely accepted[23] Slavic theory of the 7th century, the Croatian tribe moved from the area north of the Carpathians and east of the river Vistula (referred to as White Croatia) and migrated into the western Dinaric Alps. White Croats formed the Principality of Dalmatia in the upper Adriatic. Another wave of Slavic migrants from White Croatia subsequently founded the Principality of Pannonia.

According to the autochthonous model, mostly promoted by Illyrian Movement in the 19th century and abandoned[23] by the mid-19th century, the homeland of Slavs is actually in the area of southern Croatia, and they spread northwards and westwards rather than the other way round. A revision of the theory, developed by Ivan Muzić [24] argues that Slav migration from the north did happen, but the actual number of Slavic settlers was small and that the Illyrian ethnic substratum was prevalent for formation of Croatian ethnicity.

The Iranian origin of the Croats suggests that they are descendants of ancient Iranians (cf. Alans), these are perceived appearances of the name for Croatia or Croatians. The earliest claimed mention of the Croatian name, Horouathos, can be traced on two stone inscriptions in the Greek language and script, dating from around the year 200 AD, found in the seaport Tanais on the Azov sea, located on the Crimean peninsula (near the Black Sea). Both tablets are kept in an archaeological museum in Saint Petersburg, Russia. Whether the term Hourathos is related to the Croat ethnonym is open to conjecture, as the two words may have separate origins.

Genetically, on the Y chromosome line, a majority (>87%) of Croats belong to one of the three major European Y-DNA haplogroups -- Haplogroup I (38%), Haplogroup R1a 35% and Haplogroup R1b 16%[25]All three groups migrated to Europe during the upper paleolithic around 30,000-20,000 BC.

Croat Haplogroups

Croat Haplogroups

Later, neolithic lineages, originating in the Middle East and that brought agriculture to Europe, are present in surprisingly low numbers. The haplogroups J, E and G constitute together less than 10% - significantly lower than other populations in the region.[26] Furthermore the dominant presence of haplogroup I is rather interesting. This group exists in Europe only and is fairly wide-spread, but in relatively small percentages. Its frequency in the Balkans is high, but the only populations that have similar levels of the I group are the Scandinavians.[27] Haplogroup I is believed to have weathered the last glacial maximum in the southern Balkan peninsula itself, migrating north (including straight to modern day Croatia) as the ice sheets retreated.

There are a number of relevant conclusions that can be drawn from the genetic data.

First of all it gives strong support to the theory that the region of modern day Croatia served as a refuge for northern populations during the last glacial maximum (LGM). After the LGM there was a migration to the north of the people whose offspring today form a significant portion of the three aforementioned Scandinavian populations. Those who decided to stay are the ancestors of about 38 per cent of modern day Croats.[25][27]

The second conclusion that can be drawn is that the theory of an Iranian origin has little genetic support. Modern-day Iranians have a significantly different haplogroup distribution, although millennia ago Persia may have been home to altogether different peoples. Only a relatively small percentage of the Croats belong to one of the haplogroups that is common in the Middle East. The low frequency of these groups is consistent with the minor migration of Neolithic farmers from the Middle East that occurred around 10,000 years ago.[28]

And the third conclusion is that modern-day Croats may not have that much genetically in common with the Croats of the proto-Slavic origin. The R1a haplogroup that is usually at 40-60% levels in most Eastern European countries is at 35% within the Croat population. Genetic evidence points to the fact that there was a high degree of mixing of the newly arrived Croat tribes with the indigenous populations that were already present in the region of the modern day Croatia.[29] Hence, most modern day Croats are descended from the original European population of the region and have lived in the territory by other names, such as Illyrians and their forebears. These original inhabitants also served an important role in re-populating Europe after the last ice age.[26]

1，回族人叫汉族人叫舅舅，这是为什么？

2，男方本是汉族,和回女结婚后,就信仰拉回教,后代也以回族自居.

2，回族基本上,吸收的原因就是信仰的相同,很多汉族人都是因为信仰回教而成为回族的。

包括回回地主下的汉族雇农，或者商业的伙计，或者统帅的士兵。

西北的回族也是如此，不要以为他们都是中亚来的。和内地的回族一样，他们

其实是多民族，主要是汉的混血。内迁的色目其实被朱元璋的汉化政策解决了很多。

老朱是让他们本类不得相互嫁娶，否则坐牢。政策执行了快两代人时间。

但剩余的，最终在明朝形成了回族。

补：

除了上面说的通婚因素外。还有整体加入的，

在元代，陕西和宁夏地区，安西王阿南达就带所部15万军队改信伊斯兰教，另加上他们的家属。

成为当地回族的一个主源。

补：

西北的保安，撒拉是中亚来的，至今保留了自己的突厥语言。广大的回族却全用汉语。

在西北他们也算聚居了，何以如此？否则可以用中亚通用的突厥语的。

有人称西北的回族来源特殊，似乎有纯化他们之力。我不知道此人是否回族。似乎回族大

部分是汉血他很不受用。回族的血果真那么纯吗？新年热播的电影《集结号》里面有

一幕，二斗在朝鲜要化装去侦察，手下问穿美军的军装吗？二斗很生气，回了句：操行，

你长的象吗？拿李承晚的。借此回一下某些中亚回血迷，你们长的象吗，中亚？

回族黄血哪来的，语言哪来的？不就靠西北汉人吗？

再补：

回下面：

别和我谈工科，我读了20多年书都老工科了，成果也算有一点点，就不烦指教了。

再补：回楼下

我不想搞乱这个贴，不想回复漫天飞，叫你去历史版你又不敢去。

我就回在这里，我也知道你下午一直在刷网页，不怕你看不到我回复。

再补：回楼下

别提什么海龟了，我接触的多了，有很不错的，游学生我也是见了不少，拿到学位再说！

就你的回复诸多下流的话，还敢标榜什么素质，徒招人笑而。

明朝被同化的一些蒙古族现在都开始认祖归宗了,有利益方面的因素,当然还有汉文明不断被弱化丑化的原因

你回答吧，以清朝回汉大仇杀，里面的回族其实几代前是汉族血缘。

您也号称历史专家？我觉得您在人口论上有研究，别的没看出来。

这个符合逻辑。

唐宋元来华大部分是男子，与本地人通婚，无可否认。

我对民族史，内亚史都比较熟。

灌水比较少，喜欢灌水是本世纪初的事情了。

在西西河历史版我不太谈，主要是指正别人的一些错误。

西西河历史版专业人士不太够。

现在的兴趣是分子人类学结合历史学

清朝回汉大仇杀，里面的回族其实几代前是汉族血缘。

西北的回族起源和其他地方可能不完全一致。

首先大部分自治区汉族也占多数,还是给了少民自治。

另外,散居在少民多的汉人没有受到照顾优惠,这种反向歧视可是实实在在的，你口号喊到天上这都是事实

典型的以小博大心态，不断的膨胀是最危险的，也是最不能容忍的

不要混淆中国、政权、政党的概念，只要台湾以汉族为主体，只要客观条件具备，统一就是一晚上的事

抓住故意搅浑水言论不放也是在故意搅浑水

口里高喊民族团结，把（从一方剥夺）优惠当作天经地义，便宜不占白不占，这是让人伤心和怨恨的思想

怨恨有个人的微观因素，也有对以后宏观可能产生恶果的担忧。如果一方仅以享受为目的，那么从微观上还是宏观上这种享受都不会长久。中央实施民族优惠目的是为了民族团结，这需要各方的努力，谁都没有权利把各种责任一推六二五

我根本不认为民族是个重要的标志。教育程度，修养，经济情况，知识范围，关民族什麽事。海归还看不起你土鳖博士。

呵呵，还是非我族类其心必异。那些所谓的少数民族代表占据高位虚职，有什麽实际意义。当然，虚职多了，不缺那几个萝卜。

哈哈哈哈，太好笑了。

强，政策是国家定的，享受是政策给他们的。不爽，改政策就好了。