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家园 好像有这个印象,俺也记不清了。不过俺还是不信

美国已经沦落到如此毫无章法的地步,虽然俺很希望如此。

家园 多次交易的不是基础资产即贷款,而是高盛针对这笔基础资产

跟踪这笔基础资产的流通,并对针对每次基础资产流通所增发的CDS都试图成为买方。因为基础资产一经转让,高盛就丧失了对该基础资产的所有权与控制权,所以不存在对该笔基础资产的合同买来买去。

家园 法德是怎么走上这条路的?有趣。

法德玩实业,英美玩金融。

家园 天下的事都是一样一样的

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天下的事都是一样一样的

本人接触到的几件美国对中国的反倾销案,实际操盘手都是拿绿卡的中国人,而且基本上是土生土长的中国人,他们非常了解国内经济生态环境,甚至于案件的取证都是他们伙同国内一些商家干的。

家园 再送花,再次请教

高盛先向德国银行买cds

后来为什么将这个cds卖给希腊国家银行?

cds打包发行债券时怎么回事?

既然他05年把cds转卖出去了,又怎么再次卷入cds打包后的债券?

如果高盛一直在cds市场里,当希腊政府破产时,国家银行破产,他不也得不到任何回报么?

纯外行,一点看不明白,多谢指教

家园 现在美国兵临城下,欧盟的态度变了没有?还是宁愿接受“白人

的极权”吗?

家园 个人觉得中国不缺Antigone Loudiadis
家园 土耳其也出了点事,美国人要全面出击?

Turkey recalls Ambassador after US vote on Armenia 'genocide'

家园 我跟你一块排队等回答。
家园 主要是你对文中合同的理解出现偏差

高盛自己大概是15亿美元的投入,然后就在德国的一家银行那里用CDS给对冲了。而因为只有高盛自己知道这么一笔交易,人家其他人不知道,因此CDS的费率估计要低于真实的情况。这里就是一个可以追究的商业欺诈行为了。

看看井大的描述,这段表示高盛贷款15亿,买了个CDS对冲。

后来高盛在2005年把这个合同卖给了希腊国家银行,然后后者又把这个合同给债券化了,卖了20年的债券出去。

这段里的合同是指15亿贷款的合同,而不是CDS的合同;希腊国家银行债券化的也是买进来15亿的贷款。

结合我前面2个的回复,我想比较好理解了吧。

终于等到认证申请的这一天,请各位支持。典韦。

家园 明白了~谢谢耐心解答

支持您成认证会员~

家园 谢谢:作者意外获得【通宝】一枚

谢谢:作者意外获得【通宝】一枚

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家园 外行,不懂,但是哪个BUBBLE不是这些机构

RATE出来的。

新的再差不会把金融衍生物垃圾RATE成好东西吧。

所以再差也不会比现在差了。

家园 我嚼的是因为火鸡国不支持制裁伊朗

我嚼的是因为火鸡国不支持制裁伊朗,美帝出手恶心火鸡国的吧。

上次看一个新闻,说现在就中国,土耳其,巴西和叙利亚不支持制裁。

家园 I know ratings well, so

let me put some facts here.

1. First, the bubble was not created by rating agencies per se. One of the main contributor is actually Federal Reserve with its easy monetary policies.

USD/Euro is global reserve currency and Fed/ECB low rates actually create a low-rate environment for all nations. China is one victim too.

Therefore, the real estate bubble of 2002-2008 is global--in US, UK, Canada, Spain, Italy, all Eastern Europe... esp., in China.

You can not blame China bubble on raters, because there is none.

2.Rating agencies mainly provide three ratings: corporate ratings, sovereignty bond rating, structural finance product ratings.

During this crisis, corporate ratings proved to be reliable--because rating agencies already have 100 years and at least 10 business cycle experience to improve its models.

For structural finance products, rating agencies have only 20 years of data (two small recessions) to rely on. And the housing price fluctuated most dramatically during this 1997-2007 cycle--the volatility has never been so high before. Please google Case Schiller housing index.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1115323

This article also gives very good insights.

Rating agencies should be shy away from structural products for which their expertise is not great enough. I do not think raters intentionally created this bubble--lack of competence, model problem, lack of historical data are main reasons.

If you live in Europe or North America, you will know that credit ratings have been used in all kinds of gov. regulations, fed/state law, fund bylaws, private contracts, bank loan contracts...

If you totally eliminate credit rating industry, then who can provide independent service to investors in the fixed-income securities? FI market is actually 2 times the size of stock market! How to regulate all those pension/mutual funds/banks? The whole Basel II regulations were built on rating-based capital charge.

Keep in mind: it is easier to destroy an old imperfect world, but it is difficult to build a better new world without imperfection. At this stage, Congress really have no idea how to deal with those rating agencies. The debate has been going on ever since 2001 and nobody knows what is the best solution at all.

新的再差不会把金融衍生物垃圾RATE成好东西吧。

所以再差也不会比现在差了。

--you never know. It is an empirical question. Obama promised "change" before 2009. One year passed, I saw no positive change at all.

通宝推:SkyWalkerJ,
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