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家园 你这是挖苦我还是抬举我啊 我要有那水平还混不来饭吃

当然,这领导我也不是不想当的,美女左拥右抱更想,但意淫归意淫,咱民工还是讲个实事求是脚踏实地不是。

自然,人去多了当然会混杂三抬派分子或者会有潜在的三抬派分子被发展出来。但这样就把去的人全都打成是三抬派分子,这样好么?
对这个什么派我是真不了解,我直接或间接地接触过各种各样的维族,同样也是在阿富汗,我认识的维族商人对我是言必称“我们中国人”,虽然也有生意上的小矛盾或别的方面的敌意但我确信这家伙不是啥坏人,因为他也待在阿富汗就把他当作恐怖分子显然很荒唐。但难题就在这,我们根本没法区分这些人。就拿这个在喀布尔做地毯买卖的买买提来说,他自己都讲他头一年都亏了三十几万了,后面生意是渐渐做起来了也没挣什么钱,那为什么还待在那边?他的经济实力就那么雄厚?我和他同是中国人却对我是一点点亏都吃不得,却为什么愿意让阿富汗人占那么多便宜呢?所以从恶意的,他是不是东突的外围成员呢,给东突做点什么联络工作呢?当然,我没有证据,而且他确实看起来比较单纯,而且从我的直觉出发他不会与东突有什么关联。

那么就只能看情报分析员的能力水平问题。而且就因为骗子横行就干脆放弃了,我觉得这样不对。东突的确是秘密组织,但是秘密组织不等于不跟外界发生任何联系。所以想干就一定会有成果。当然,想得出成果,需要繁重而复杂的巨量劳动。
我主要是心疼钞票。觉得浪费这么多钱给那些鸟人,还不如分点经费给我--假如国安收民工的话。而且,我觉得我们靠这种方法根本是没用的,在土耳其和欧洲的各种维族组织可能有几百个之多,在巴基斯坦的极端组织可能更是多如牛毛。

Domestic Organisations

1.

Lashkar-e-Omar (LeO)

2.

Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP)

3.

Tehreek-e-Jaferia Pakistan (TJP)

4.

Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi

5.

Lashkar-eJhangvi (LeJ)

6.

Sipah-e-Muhammad Pakistan (SMP)

7.

Jamaat-ul-Fuqra

8.

Nadeem Commando

9.

Popular Front for Armed Resistance

10.

Muslim United Army

11.

Harkat-ul-Mujahideen Al-alami(HuMA)

Trans-national Organisations

1.

Hizb-ul-Mujahideen (HM)

2.

Harkat-ul-Ansar (HuA, presently known as Harkat-ul Mujahideen)

3.

Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT)

4.

Jaish-e-Mohammad Mujahideen E-Tanzeem (JeM)

5.

Harkat-ul Mujahideen (HuM, previously known as Harkat-ul-Ansar)

6.

Al Badr

7.

Jamait-ul-Mujahideen (JuM)

8.

Lashkar-e-Jabbar (LeJ)

9.

Harkat-ul-Jehad-al-Islami(HUJI)

10.

Muttahida Jehad Council (MJC)

11.

Al Barq

12.

Tehrik-ul-Mujahideen

13.

Al Jehad

14.

Jammu & Kashir National Liberation Army

15.

People’s League

16.

Muslim Janbaz Force

17.

Kashmir Jehad Force

18.

Al Jehad Force (combines Muslim Janbaz Force and Kashmir Jehad Force)

19.

Al Umar Mujahideen

20.

Mahaz-e-Azadi

21.

Islami Jamaat-e-Tulba

22.

Jammu & Kashmir Students Liberation Front

23.

Ikhwan-ul-Mujahideen

24.

Islamic Students League

25.

Tehrik-e-Hurriat-e-Kashmir

26.

Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Fiqar Jafaria

27.

Al Mustafa Liberation Fighters

28.

Tehrik-e-Jehad-e-Islami

29.

Muslim Mujahideen

30.

Al Mujahid Force

31.

Tehrik-e-Jehad

32.

Islami Inquilabi Mahaz

1.

Al-Rashid Trust

2.

Al-Akhtar Trust

3.

Rabita Trust

4.

Ummah Tamir-e-Nau

我们防的了这个,防的了那个吗?我觉得一个还是从严厉打击维族的犯罪入手,把这些人该毙的毙,该关的关,否则这些人本身就是中国组织最严密分布最广的黑手党,他们随便在哪里放点C4或到我们的哪个学校进行下扫射和屠杀是随时都会有可能发生的事情,到时候可能就是俄罗斯第二了。一个,就是在新疆恢复老毛的那一套,成天逼那些鸟人学习洗脑,要跟他们讲老毛就是这个时代的马赫迪,他们一天做五次向麦加的祷告,就让他们一天做五次向北京的祷告,经文就变成由古兰经与毛泽东思想相结合的那种(我在回族清真寺学过几天他们的教材是与儒家结合的那种),来学习的一次给一块钱,表现好的优秀分子一个月给两百到两千的补贴,然后揭发揭露坏分子批斗,拒不改造的实行恐怖政策肉体消灭。不这样搞(破坏他在国内的组织体系和思想倾向),你怎么搜情报,怎么发展经济都是没用的。

另外跑中国大使馆这个我觉得也是骗子,一般大使馆都是情报战的最末一根线了。某人跑来大使馆贩卖情报,其可靠性我觉得也不高,都是编的。
南亚一带的全这样子,嘴巴那是,没的说。

然后跑到新疆这里,某族的这群鸟人却给掉了个个,这帮人一个个按着老教异端的方式生活,却又靠着三抬派给钱闹事。人活着还真可以这么不要脸啊。

他们对自己人也很狠的。把自己侄女外甥女拉出来卖淫的都有。我们百姓再没文化再蠢笨如牛可这讲脸面讲面子讲礼尚往来讲将心比心讲见利思义都是浸入我们骨髓里的了。维族和绿教的那个怎么说呢,不能讲没好人,更不能讲他们生下来就那么邪恶,但确实是没话讲。我看过的解释斋月的说法是讲要通过饥饿来感受自己的渺小和真主的伟大来培育同情培育谦卑培育仁慈培育品格,可这些鸟人堕落起来比谁都快,干起坏事来比谁都狠,礼是照拜可贩毒抢劫杀人是照干不误。

还有一个现在的国际环境也有利于我们,美国现在还在当绿教的靶子。现在不采取措施,搞不好美国人一撤绿教就会开始主攻我们了。

家园 Deception: Pakistan, the Uni

Here is the shocking, three-decade story of A. Q. Khan and Pakistan’s nuclear program, and the complicity of the United States in the spread of nuclear weaponry.

In December, 1975, A. Q. Khan—a young Pakistani scientist working in Holland—stole top-secret blueprints for a revolutionary new process to arm a nuclear bomb. His original intention, and that of his government, was purely patriotic—to provide Pakistan a counter to India’s recently unveiled nuclear device. However, as Levy and Scott-Clark relate in their investigation of Khan’s career over the past thirty years, over time that limited ambition mushroomed into the world’s largest clandestine network engaged in selling nuclear secrets—a mercenary and illicit program managed by the Pakistani military and made possible, in large part, by aid money from the United States, Saudi Arabia, and Libya, and by indiscriminate assistance from China.

The authors reveal that the sales of nuclear weapons technology to Iran, North Korea, and Libya, so much in the news today, were made with the clear knowledge of the American government, for whom Pakistan has been a crucial buffer state and ally—first against the Soviet Union, now in the “war against terror.” Every successive American presidency, from Carter to George W. Bush, has turned a blind eye to Pakistan’s nuclear activity—rewriting and destroying evidence provided by its intelligence agencies, lying to Congress and the American people about Pakistan’s intentions and capability, and facilitating, through shortsightedness and intent, the spread of the very weapons we vilify the “axis of evil” powers for having and fear terrorists will obtain. Deception puts our current standoffs with Iran and North Korea in a startling new perspective, and makes clear two things: that Pakistan, far from being an ally, is a rogue nation at the epicenter of world destabilization; and that the complicity of the United States has ushered in a new nuclear winter.

Indeed, the authors—who have built this story over a decade of reporting—make a compelling case that Pakistan is the greatest obstacle to U.S. and world security.
Levy, Adrian & Scott-Clark, Catherine. . WDeception: Pakistan, the United States, and the Secret Trade in Nuclear Weaponsalker 2007.

http://www.clarkandlevy.com/

巴铁是够不着美国的,但消灭中国却是轻而易举的事情。如果我们现在采取措施改变各项政策的话可能还来的及,还有机会--比如先让他们和印度先耗上。如果还跟老毛那时一样做冤大头做傻瓜搞不好是真有可能亡国灭种的。

ADRIAN LEVY: Right. I guess the obvious starting point, in essence, is over the border with Pakistan’s long-term nemesis, India. And when India detonated a bomb in 1974, something it did in response to threats from China, Pakistan redoubled all of its efforts to obtain a nuclear weapons program. And a whole series of things came together. They were running a very, very dilapidated plutonium program, which was really going nowhere, tremendously costly, and had been hampered by opposition from the United States, the UK and other powers. But come 1974, 1975, a man who would become identified as the father of the Pakistan bomb program, an entrepreneur, metallurgist and linguist called A.Q. Khan happened to be at the right place at the right time, and he was working as a technical translator in Holland, got hold of some—very simply, in fact, through dire security—some critical blueprints on a revolutionary method of using uranium to arm a nuclear device, took them back to Pakistan, and Benazir Bhutto’s father Zulfikar Ali Bhutto puts him in place, and thus begins the struggle to obtain nuclear weapons.

Now, up until 1979, the whole of the world, the Western world, was against Pakistan’s program and did everything it could to inderdict that program, fearing the instability of Pakistan, fearing a nuclear arms race between Pakistan and India. And in fact, at one point, the CIA and the Pentagon looked at sending over a team to destroy the program in a covert operation that was discussed in a meeting with General Brent Scowcroft. But come 1979, things changed, and really, this will completely alter the West’s attitude to the Pakistan program.

In ’79, of course, the Soviets invade Afghanistan, and prior to that, the U.S. ally, the Shah in Iran, flees, enabling Khomenei, the Ayatollah, to come back, and the CIA loses its listening stations, it loses a great ally. And suggestions are made to Carter from Zbigniew Brzezinski, the national security adviser, that America reconsider for the first time the gold standard of nonproliferation and shove it down the agenda in order to begin a new relationship with Pakistan, that was struggling to obtain nuclear weapons. So the suggestion from Brzezinski was the beginning of turning a blind eye, let’s say.

But Carter runs out of steam. And it will be only Reagan, when Reagan comes in in ’81, that effectively can lead to this policy being implemented. And then we will see ten years of what State Department people describe as U.S. permissiveness, but I think what the rest of us would describe as collaboration, covertly, between the Reagan administration and the Pakistan military, to cement security relationship, enabling their nuclear program. And really—I suppose we can go back into some detail on this at a later point, but over that ten years, the whole program would be facilitated. They would cold test a bomb, which means computer simulate one in ’82. ’83 they’d repeat that process. In 1984, the Chinese would take that bomb and hot test it, actually let it off in a Lop Nor test site, their Lop Nor test site. By ’87, that bomb, the Pakistani bomb, had been fixed under a U.S.-supplied F-16 fighter jet and was ready to deploy, a jet sold on the precondition that it could never be used by Pakistan for the nuclear program.

And one thing to remember here is that, year in, year out, throughout that chronology that I’ve given you, Reagan was telling the American people and Congress Pakistan has no bomb, Pakistan cannot deploy a bomb, and it’s not seeking a bomb. And so, you know, the ground was created for the Pakistan weapons program. But it’s more overt than that even, in that there was actual direct U.S. covert aid to that program supplied through the Pentagon and the disruption of CIA operations to inderdict the weapons program by Reagan official appointees who were working with the Pakistanis, collaborating. The results in the ’90s were that Pakistan did proliferate, because U.S. aid was cut off and the U.S. turned its back on Pakistan. And the Pakistanis milked their nuclear program for hard cash, selling to Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Libya, the Axis of Evil powers. And we also know there is intelligence to show that they began negotiations very much with Saudi Arabia, with Syria, and of course there are tentative contacts with al-Qaeda elements, as well.

Well, a remarkable thing has happened. And just to take you back just a tiny bit before that actual date, of course, post-2001, it became blatantly obvious to everybody that there was only one military government repressing human rights, connected tentatively to 9/11, a state sponsor of terrorism, with radical connections to al-Qaeda, that was proliferating WMD. And, of course, that wasn’t Iraq. It was Pakistan. And the problem facing the Bush administration was that their policy post-9/11 was very much to embrace Pakistan as an essential ally in the war on terror, in order to allow the narrative over Iraq and the WMD, so-called WMD, in Iraq to rise. So 2003, as bits of news begin to leak out, news that the U.S. has known about for years, about Pakistan’s nuclear proliferation, a leak of information that happens really quite accidentally through a fairly unknown Iranian dissident group called the MEK, that holds a press conference in Washington, in which it reveals that the Iranians have been developing a nuclear program, a uranium program, and it’s one that’s been largely constructed due to the largesse of the Pakistan military.
外链出处

家园 其实还是有的,只不过上来的几乎一定是绿教背景

首先我认为民主政治这个词本身就不对,这个词是清末中国人从日本生搬硬套过来的。它在日本是对的,但是在中国就是错的。因为中日之间的“民”有个致命的差别。

而且民主政治意思也翻译的不对,应该叫群主政治而不是民主政治,中国人思想里的民主政治更多指的是暴民政治或者群愚政治。所以从群主政治来看,伊斯兰世界还是可以实现民选的。但是民选的几乎全都逃脱不了伊斯兰背景。原因无他,因为伊斯兰社会的社群基本组成原理是宗教。

所以如果民选政治,我认为必然是伊斯兰背景的上台。

家园 【整理】 人口是巴勒斯坦最有力的武器

http://www.tianya.cn/publicforum/content/worldlook/1/179550.shtml『国际观察』 巴勒斯坦人口迅速增长成以色列致命弱点

只有以色列与巴勒斯坦人分治,才能使已经建立的犹太国生存下去。

    不少以色列学者接受了索弗的观点,并不断对以色列人口结构发出警告,声称除非以色列放弃部分被占领的巴勒斯坦领土,否则以色列将无法既成为犹太国家,又成为民主国家,因为被占领土的巴勒斯坦人口增长迅速。

在2005年8月以色列撤离加沙地带之前,在以色列控制的土地上约有1050万人口,其中51%为犹太人,49%为阿拉伯人。由于巴勒斯坦人的出生率高于犹太人,改变人口结构优势只是时间问题。

    而在民主国家中,通常不同民族的人拥有同样的公民选举权利。在巴勒斯坦地区,如果不及时建立巴勒斯坦国或者巴勒斯坦人放弃建立国家的权利,转而要求合并为一个国家,那么,巴勒斯坦人的人口优势可能使未来的以色列国成为第二个南非。

    换言之,如果以色列要实行民主制度,在巴勒斯坦国不能成立的情况下,被占领土的巴勒斯坦人必须拥有选举权,巴勒斯坦人的人口优势可能会选出一个非犹太人总理。

    如此看来,人口统计学因素是沙龙提出并实施单边行动计划和主张巴勒斯坦建国的一个主要原因。

    哈马斯在1月25日举行的选举中胜出,震惊了世界。曾宣布哈马斯为“恐怖组织”的以 色列对哈马斯上台执政戒心极大,其内心有一种前所未有的危机感和紧迫感。沙龙接班人奥尔默特在2月7日接受以色列电视二台采访时说,今天的现实迫使以色列 必须重新划定与巴勒斯坦的边界。这意味着以色列不得不从部分约旦河西岸地区的领土撤出。

  

    奥尔默特在竞选中提出第二次单边撤离计划,并宣布将致力于划定巴以永久边界,看来奥尔默特决心执行沙龙的路线。目前利库德集团和工党均表示同意继续从约旦河西岸撤离,但主张与巴勒斯坦方面协议撤离。

    以色列大多数民众现在也围绕走中间路线达成了比较广泛的一致,并接受从约旦河西岸进一步撤离,以便实现同巴勒斯坦人的分离。这可能是以色列建国以来首次出现这种情况。

家园 导弹怎么增程?

朝鲜还为埃及的飞毛腿导弹升级增程。

PP后面加装一节?

发动机喷嘴改形?

家园 以为是地铁?Metro在国内的名字可是麦德龙超市哦

subway,metro都有地铁的意思

我和朋友就出过一个地铁门口,一个在超市门口,互相等的事情。

家园 军队和宗教草根势力之间的关系

1、埃及等国家的军队目前来看是亲美的,宗教草根势力是反美的。因而,目前埃及军队和草根之间是有矛盾的。

2、但是不是军队和宗教草根之间永远就有矛盾呢?不是的。以巴基斯坦为例,军队利用majahidi在阿富汗反苏、在克什米尔反印,和宗教草根是合作关系。这种情况下,政治局面就比较稳定。

3、美国看到这种情况很不舒服,就压迫巴基斯坦军队进攻宗教草根,导致巴基斯坦情况迅速恶化。

4、埃及等国军队是否亲美,要看美国是否还能主导中东的军事、政治、经济局面。如果美国依旧控制局面,那么军队会反对宗教极端势力。如其不然,则军队会迅速和宗教合流,把矛盾指向外部的异教势力。宗教草根会利用输出极端势力获取军方支持,军方会利用输出极端势力疏导国内政治压力,形成一种合作局面。

5、假如美国人撑不住了,象越战之后撤了,龟缩到两个大洋之间--仅仅假设而已--那么宗教极端势力离中国近还是美国近?本.拉登支持互不干涉内政以及和平共处五项原则吗?

通宝推:腾格里,
家园 看到你的几个发言 只能说甚慰我心、我心甚慰啊

这里的网友跟绿教跟外高加索人没有接触不了解没关系。但老胡还想着靠发展当地经济来解决问题,别的该改的地方一动不动实在让人寒心啊。等将来中国版的车臣战争爆发了甚至被人用核弹炸了,老胡是要被列入汪精卫一列立成跪像的啊。

家园 hehe大马士革是阿拉伯世界的璀璨明珠

thumbs up. Buddy, you really know mid-east well.

家园 是不是现在的局势有这么发展的可能?

米在收缩,极端绿色就有可能和米合作。而中国和极端绿色有不可回避的地缘关系,更有可能是他们的敌人。

通宝推:腾格里,
家园 伊朗的军舰过苏伊士运河,如果属实,

这种预测就已经开始变为现实了。但目前关于此事的说法尚多,真相如何,拭目以待。

家园 也就是说未来中国要从本土上面对极端绿色的地缘挤压了?

中国刚刚爬上的大国地位的冷板凳上,小屁股还木将它捂热,就要面临绿色汪洋的挑战?下个针对中国的可能的热点是哪儿呢?

家园 没有美国那会,宗教势力离美国近还是中国近?

美国人撑不住最好,丫没了中东,就是一美洲国家了。

没了张屠户就吃带毛猪?拜托老兄了,和美国商量一下,让这老丫迅速撤退,中国愿意担负起这个任务,勇敢地面对。

家园 现在的问题主要是领导的vision

如果速度够快,比如打击和摧毁国内最大的黑帮组织,也比如成功地像当年斯大林操纵中国政治让中国和日本先拼起来一样让巴基斯坦先和印度耗起来,也比如我们在美国摇摇欲坠要退出阿富汗不想再当靶子的时候给美国提供点支援让美国继续站在反恐战争的第一线,或者明确向美国表态支持以色列解决伊朗,。。。。。等等等等,充分利用我们对巴基斯坦的影响力(这种影响力在目前来讲是超过了我们对朝鲜的影响力的),也利用我们已经和穆斯林世界形成的一些联系,如果我们有相应的VISION和策略,我们的战略形势会好很多。就怕领导跟愤青一样巴铁巴铁的叫,还继续向穆斯林世界输出核技术导弹技术。

家园 不清楚。

只要中国放开计划生育,房价之类的事,贫富差距的事,国企效率低的事,都是小事。只要人在,一切困难,中国都可以克服。

通宝推:腾格里,
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