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家园 快了,onsharing已经被热炒了

奥巴马显然是要把占领华尔街的怒火转移到中国制造上,借力打力运用的炉火纯青。

家园 等人民币升值后,还不是一样
家园 tg也是从人家西方的国际共运那学的,都差不多的东西
家园 这是过去地主老财家看家护院的团练口吻

哈哈。

家园 新图

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学生特里普举着用中文写的标语牌参加抗议。

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前投资银行职员特迪每天到广场静站两小时。

家园 其实也只是个开始

事情发展的今天,其实不需要什么高深的阶级斗争纲领,目标、途径什么的,其实个人觉得这事很简单,就是美国经济大环境下民众社会的反映,说什么资本主义变社会主义,说什么阶级斗争都是虚的,普通美国人就是觉得生活质量变差了,生活成本太高了,生活压力太大了,生活不下去了,要求改变,这就是诉求。

不过更让人恼火的是美国经济不是在变好,而是在越变越坏,而且短时间看起来无论是平民还是精英都没办法,这就决定了美国社会暂时不会平静,只要没找到新的办法和途径。美国政府是真没钱了(又不敢乱印钱,那样死的更快),要不然像TG整个4万亿,投资拉动,不敢说问题都没有,至少不一定像现在这样无计可施。说到这里,有网友说没有高层出来表态,老实说,现在出来表什么态,方法途径一样没有,钱也没有,美国人不是傻,是真没办法了。

美国政府的问题很大,没落至少从目前的条件(没有新东西拉动)看起来是肯定的了,起码从全球经济的角度看,除非新技术的应用,否则我看不到一点美国复兴的可能。不过无论从道德还是现实的角度看,过度激烈的行为对谁都没有好处。最大的可能是逐步的衰落,这个过程也许会很长,同样美国人的苦难日子也许才刚刚开始。

家园 但做人人品第一,其他水平看造化。

麻花藤=马化腾?这里有什么故事?

家园 美国所有的强大与辉煌是两战后他的国家信誉

在此基础上当他的出口经济下滑、财政赤字高涨及布雷顿森体系崩溃后、美元依然是全球第一大信用货币、强势美元能造就"强大"美军和"强大"政治宣传体系、后两者对维护国家信誉起辅助作用但拥有后两者却很难创立强势货币、看苏联就知道了、而今天美元的暴跌正是它处在一霸独超时代发生的、这也足以证明支持信用货币的实质是这个信用货币的综合实力、其中主要是他的生产力、而能有实力的信用货币的国家差不多都是贸易顺差国家的货币、因为它含金量高。

如今全球国际大货币除美元外又出个欧元还有日元等、更不要说还有个刚露出冰山一角的未来超强货币-人民币。请问美元用什么与他们斗、用仅存的少的可怜的信用吗?那等于自杀。

天要下雨、娘要嫁人、美国赖了中国的帐、美元必然成为地域货币、美元都倒下了欧元还能对抗人民币吗?曾经美元的利多、明天都人民币的红利、那时2万亿的损失就不必挂齿了、等我们强大了美国就不得不还钱了。

家园 这是个开始没错

但是现在美国是在假死。就是明明只死了一二分,却要表现出死了三四分的样子。万一哪一个对手按捺不住了,轻敌了,他就要扑上去把对方咬死,然后就能补血了。

再看看吧,再看看。好莱坞大片制作的水平,向来只有精彩,没有遗憾!

家园 没有那么复杂

事实已经证明美国这样仅靠金融和石油美元的发展是不可持续的。

如果站在历史的高度,美国就是必败的,只不过这个胜利的过程是不是出现曲折,胜利的果实由谁来摘取的问题,就是这样。

家园 齐泽克今天的讲话

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Part One

…2008 financial crash more hard earned private property was destroyed than if all of us here were to be destroying it night and day for weeks. They tell you we are dreamers. The true dreamers are those who think things can go on indefinitely the way they are. We are not dreamers. We are awakening from a dream which is tuning into a nightmare. We are not destroying anything. We are only witnessing how the system is destroying itself. We all know the classic scenes from cartoons. The cart reaches a precipice. But it goes on walking. Ignoring the fact that there is nothing beneath. Only when it looks down and notices it, it falls down. This is what we are doing here. We are telling the guys there on Wall Street – Hey, look down! (cheering).

In April 2011, the Chinese government prohibited on TV and films and in novels all stories that contain alternate reality or time travel. This is a good sign for China. It means that people still dream about alternatives, so you have to prohibit this dream. Here we don’t think of prohibition. Because the ruling system has even suppressed our capacity to dream. Look at the movies that we see all the time. It’s easy to imagine the end of the world. An asteroid destroying all life and so on. But you cannot imagine the end of capitalism. So what are we doing here? Let me tell you a wonderful old joke from communist times.

A guy was sent from East Germany to work in Siberia. He knew his mail would be read by censors. So he told his friends: Let’s establish a code. If the letter you get from me is written in blue ink ,it is true what I said. If it is written in red ink, it is false. After a month his friends get a first letter. Everything is in blue. It says, this letter: everything is wonderful here. Stores are full of good food. Movie theaters show good films from the West. Apartments are large and luxurious. The only thing you cannot buy is red ink.

This is how we live. We have all the freedoms we want. But what we are missing is red ink. The language to articulate our non-freedom. The way we are taught to speak about freedom war and terrorism and so on falsifies freedom. And this is what you are doing here: You are giving all of us red ink.

There is a danger. Don’t fall in love with yourselves. We have a nice time here. But remember: carnivals come cheap. What matters is the day after. When we will have to return to normal life. Will there be any changes then. I don’t want you to remember these days, you know, like - oh, we were young, it was beautiful. Remember that our basic message is: We are allowed to think about alternatives. The rule is broken. We do not live in the best possible world. But there is a long road ahead. There are truly difficult questions that confront us. We know what we do not want. But what do we want? What social organization can replace capitalism? What type of new leaders do we want?

Remember: the problem is not corruption or greed. The problem is the system that pushes you to give up. Beware not only of the enemies. But also of false friends who are already working to dilute this process. In the same way you get coffee without caffeine, beer without alcohol, ice cream without fat. They will try to make this into a harmless moral protest. They think (??? unintelligible). But the reason we are here is that we have enough of the world where to recycle coke cans…

Part Two

….Starbucks cappuccino. Where 1% goes to the world’s starving children. It is enough to make us feel good. After outsourcing work and torture. After the marriage agencies are now outsourcing even our love life, daily.

Mic check

We can see that for a long time we allowed our political engagement also to be outsourced. We want it back. We are not communists. If communism means the system which collapsed in 1990, remember that today those communists are the most efficient ruthless capitalists. In China today we have capitalism which is even more dynamic than your American capitalism but doesn’t need democracy. Which means when you criticize capitalism, don’t allow yourselves to be blackmailed that you are against democracy. The marriage between democracy and capitalism is over.

The change is possible. So, what do we consider today possible? Just follow the media. On the one hand in technology and sexuality everything seems to be possible. You can travel to the moon. You can become immortal by biogenetics. You can have sex with animals or whatever. But look at the fields of society and economy. There almost everything is considered impossible. You want to raise taxes a little bit for the rich, they tell you it’s impossible, we lose competitivitiy. You want more money for healthcare: they tell you impossible, this means a totalitarian state. There is something wrong in the world where you are promised to be immortal but cannot spend a little bit more for health care. Maybe that ??? set our priorities straight here. We don’t want higher standards of living. We want better standards of living. The only sense in which we are communists is that we care for the commons. The commons of nature. The commons of what is privatized by intellectual property. The commons of biogenetics. For this and only for this we should fight.

Communism failed absolutely. But the problems of the commons are here. They are telling you we are not Americans here. But the conservative fundamentalists who claim they are really American have to be reminded of something. What is Christianity? It’s the Holy Spirit. What’s the Holy Spirit? It’s an egalitarian community of believers who are linked by love for each other. And who only have their own freedom and responsibility to do it. In this sense the Holy Spirit is here now. And down there on Wall Street there are pagans who are worshipping blasphemous idols. So all we need is patience. The only thing I’m afraid of is that we will someday just go home and then we will meet once a year, drinking beer, and nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves that this will not be the case.

We know that people often desire something but do not really want it. Don’t be afraid to really want what you desire. Thank you very much!

家园 有人都给翻译成中文了

中国年轻人还真是爱学习

http://www.douban.com/note/177253493/

家园 人成了钱的奴隶,没钱就只好等死了

多么悲哀的现实啊,资本主义一切向钱看,人类被自己弄出来的钱所奴役,并且还大多觉得天经地义,多么的悲哀啊。

什么时候人能规划生产,为了人本身的需求而生产,而不是为了赚钱呢?电脑,网络的发展使得技术上实现这些有了那么一些可能。

家园 这个世界是现实的

如果说从理论上讲,为了自身的需要而生产,为了自身精神物质的满足而去劳动,这当然是一种理想状态,不过现实告诉我们这不可能,起码在可以预见的将来,还不可能,包括电脑和网络的发展。

比如在欧洲,一些国家正在因为社会福利成本的高昂而逐渐失去竞争力,一方面社会福利加大了发展的成本,另一方面也造就了不少的懒人。甚至在中国部分农村也出现了这样的情况,不再征收农税提留了,每年还能拿到补助,逐渐出现了一些人,平时打麻将,没钱了就偷摸扒窃。在一切征地拆迁或者城周边,还有所谓的租二代,不需要辛勤劳动,整日混吃等死。

当然,我绝对认为应该减轻农民负担,但是也坚持的认为发展和社会福利应该处在一个比较合理的区间之内,作为个体,是很难在长远和现实,整体和局部甚至个人之间做出合理选择的。

再则,社会的效率是在不断提高,但世界的资源也在逐渐减少,竞争始终是存在的,毕竟当前的世界还是一个弱肉强食优胜劣汰的社会,所以个人认为那种人尽其能按需分配的社会组织形式,目前是不可能的。

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