主题：【整理】zt China helpEurope, AF -- parishg

America. He is from the east coast WASP elite families with membership in all major secret societies.

He had the nickname called "the traitor of his class". Look at all his reform actions: none of them were easy pieces even in today's world. When he sweared into the office, the unemployment rate was at least 25%, thousands of banks got shut down.

Zhu's China in 1990s was no comparison at all to his world back in 1930s. Lip service is easy and people can say that FDR was only successful because of war...

But the gut he demonstrated between 1932 to 1937 was really unmatched in the history in the last 200 years.

He was a traitor of his class: that's something most Chinese elites can not deliver at all.

谈不拢啊谈不拢

then let Europeans F* themselves to find out all the money to fill in the black holes. To be frank, China should NOT even lend one penny to them.

Those hypocrites. 即使中国和其他投资者不参与，我们已经做出的决定完全足以使我们能克服我们自己的债务危机

They deserve to fall from 2nd class nations to be 4th class nations in the world.

给中国1000亿欧元的EFSF债券啊。。。央行印钞买国债（发钞）的三方版，或者中国印人民币买下进口企业的欧元的逆向版么。以人民币为抵押（也就是以可能进口的中国商品做抵押）。

或者一个可能是德国人本身就希望其他国家烂掉。

以前有个方案是欧洲央行担保也让他们否了，又说不出钱。

诚心看着希腊死掉啊。。

fulford的东西只能在转帖中看到较多的部分(得回去找找), 因为那家伙是搞收费的.

先贴一段他在今天的言论, 嘛. 螺丝小孩又来了.

The situation in Europe is making it clear to all but the most brainwashed that something historical is taking place. What is happening is that the criminal element at the very top of the Western power structure, especially at the very top of the financial system, has been cut off from their money printing machine. As a result, the IMF and the major European and US money center banks are insolvent. No amount of lying or paper shuffling or propaganda is going to hide this fundamental truth. The governments of Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Italy etc. know that the debts they supposedly owe to bankers were created through fraudulent book entries and thus do not have to be repaid. That is why the banks suddenly announced that Greece only had to pay back 50% of their debt even though such a write off would destroy them. They are hoping for a tax payer bail-out that is just not going to happen. It is game over. The Rothschild banking nightmare is ending.

Even the highly brainwashed priesthood known as Western financial gurus and journalists are starting to realize that something is not right. The big announcement by European governments of a “solution” to the Greek and Euro crises is a case in point. If you analyze the announcement you realize that essentially the banks and governments are saying the banks will pay for 50% of the Greek debt with money they do not have. The governments say they will pay for it by “leveraging” the money they already have. They do not say who is going to be dumb enough to finance a bankrupt gambler who wants to quadruple his risk.

Please note that as soon as the “solution” to the crisis was announced, high level begging missions were sent to Asia, including French President Sarkozy. Why would they need to go to Asia to ask for money if they had come up with a solution?

The IMF, supposedly the world’s “lender of last resort” is also continuing to admit they have no money. The reason is that the IMF itself cannot prove that its money comes from legitimate sources.

The fact of the matter is that the criminal part of the world’s financial system is falling apart. The IMF will soon cease to be solvent. The same is true of the World Bank. The BIS is also in trouble. In fact, the entire Rothschild banking monopoly is in deep trouble.

The freeze of “trading platforms” remains in place, meaning that the controllers of the fiat system can no longer pump new money into the system. The best they can do is reshuffle money that is already in the system. New money will only start entering the global financial system once the new asset-backed system is in place.

“The IMF and the World Bank existed to force the Rothschild banking system on the countries of the world,” is how an extremely senior Chinese official explained the situation. “Our goal is to reboot the system, to start over and set all the parameters in a fair way so that all countries benefit from the pooled assets of the people of the world and not just Europe and North America,” he continued.

The original system was meant to have been run by the Swiss and protected by the Americans, he continued. “The basic failure was that the system of checks and balances failed and the people who were supposed to protect the system ended up abusing it,” he added.

What is now going to happen is that the 100 countries that have so far joined the new system started in Monaco in August, are going to implement the new system in four stages, according to a White Dragon Society source. The US military and agencies will be involved in this process right from the beginning, he added. Efforts to intimidate generals by using corrupt institutions like the IRS to try to repossess their homes will backfire and lead to criminal prosecutions.

The first step will be a lawsuit that will be filed before November 15th against the individuals and groups who abused the Federal Reserve Board system. This will lead to liens being placed against many of the largest financial institutions in the world, according to the filers. There will also be mass arrests.

The other steps have yet to be disclosed. However, some basic truths are already known. First of all, all honest businessmen and bankers worldwide will have nothing to worry about. Second of all, the money created through derivatives fraud will be eliminated from the books, even if that means bankrupting many of the big Western financial institutions. Third, major historical financial injustices will be addressed and stolen monies and assets will be returned to their rightful owners. This will be good news for the vast majority of Western citizens as well as the inhabitants of long exploited regions like Africa.

The international banking and payment settlements systems will remain in place after the reboot. This will mean the minimum possible disruption to legitimate business.

However, as mentioned earlier, the international institutions set up and controlled by a small group of Western oligarchs after World War 2 will be totally revamped.

Finance, Organized Crime

可能我说得不清楚-我说的和朱镕基比，是指积极的财政政策来扩大基础设施建设这一块。内部调整部分，朱当然不能和他比，FDR面临大型而且长期的收缩期，不变则死，我认为这是FDR双管齐下的原因.

而朱仍然在长期的经济扩张周期内，面临的是小的收缩期,所以朱以财政政策为主，不必去动利益集团的蛋糕。

FDR所作所为，是很多改革者的事-内部调整，让富者付出多些，换取贫者不造反，体制不崩溃。能做成的都是历史上了不起的政治家，商君张居正等。但仅是内部调整的话FDR也不会有这么高的评价-因为富者控制话语权，不会在舆论上给他好评价。二战给了他做大蛋糕的机会，他凭着内部调整熬时间熬到了这个机会。蛋糕大了，富者得到的更多，之前的付出就显得值得了，所以成了人人称颂的伟大领袖。

这样的领袖，没有大的危机不会有。因为即使他在，其它人不觉得需要这样的人，他也上不了台。所以现在看到的tg领袖中没有这样的。

我总结过危机面前的三种调整方式-内部调整，扩张，科技进步。

http://www.cchere.com/article/3506173

现阶段，危机不够慎重，太多人心存幻想，不是英雄出场的时候，也不知道有没有这样的人的存在。

again is because I remember I said that some time before.

具体到援助事宜，我还觉得要等等看再下结论。

tg官僚虽然财经专业水平差，有些人也可能被洗脑，但是一来被洗脑的似乎并不多，而且之前的失败只会降低他们的发言权；二来对于利益交换和斗争，这些人都是行家。所以完全笨到白给钱或者所得甚少是一件不大可能的事。问题是究竟换多少？

中国官僚的一个手段是，答应了也可以拖着反正没说不办，耽误你的时间等你发现浪费了寻找其他手段时间，不得不回来的时候，再调高价码。不敢说是这么回事，也不是替他们开脱，只是一个可能

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所以我觉得象征性救救是最可能的：

完全不救，到时候全球衰退罪责怪到头上，自己也需要调整的时间另外三国演义，欧洲倒了就要直面美国，挡箭牌能多撑一会儿比较好

真救也不行-救急不救穷，根本救不了；欧洲死了多了一个垫背的，危机可以减缓一下；趁火打劫抢东西。

救得程度就是两者拿捏走钢丝

那直接印钞买希腊债就行了，别的什么都不需要谈了啊。

好比中国如果直接发10亿人民币就很过分了，但是有1亿多外汇储备，发10亿人民币鸭梨就还好。。

直接发10亿人民币意思是平白加入这些钱；有1亿外汇储备的意思是“我这钱对应了外汇储备可以购买的东西，比如购买波音747－提供航空服务、购买高铁技术－提供高铁服务、买矿－提供原材料”。货币只是流通手段，归根结底分配的基础还是实物，增发本身不是错，只要确实对应了相应的经济规模增长。中国借出人民币的本质是说可以分享一部分经济规模增长吧。

比如说，如果大家只生产、购买米和蔬菜两种东西，那么货币对应量就是米和蔬菜的规模，但是有天科技进步了突然新增了肉类供应，原有货币供应量就不够了，米和蔬菜会降价，存款价值升高（紧缩）；这时候发行一些货币对应肉类，有助于经济发展。但是如果没有肉类供应，平白发货币，米和蔬菜都涨价，存款价值降低（通胀）就是抢人存款了

欧洲现在根本没有相应的经济规模增长，所以才不愿意印欧元啊。如果这样平白印了欧元给中国换人民币，然后中国再去买EFSF, 等于这些欧元和人民币都留在欧洲境内了。不但多出来1000亿欧元的货币，还多出来1万亿人民币的货币，这样差不多相当于多出来了2000亿欧元的货币供应量，那比欧洲直接印1000亿欧元买希腊国债还更惨。

正好相反。如果中国境内使用欧元，才可以说是和欧洲分享了一部分中国经济的增长。而中国借出人民币给欧洲，相当于欧洲境内使用人民币，也就相当于中国获得了一部分欧洲经济增长。这本来就是国际货币的利益，例如中国一直在谈论的米国“铸币税”，也是人民币国际化的目的所在。