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家园 活活!其实更美观的是没有标点
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家园 花!我觉得您这个例子只能说明中文组词时

要慎选其中的汉字,否则容易产生错误的提示,就会影响思维,但我觉得在用中文的人群中最重要的还是要强调严格定义,分清联想提示与严格定义的关系,就是说虽有联想提示的便利,但也有容易忽视严格定义的弊病,两相抵消,不等于使用汉语就一定会影响精确思考。当然中国的一个弊病就是喜欢附会,我没有比较,不敢说外国就比我们差,不过这也是没有或较少有科学传统的原因,当然外国这个传统也就比我们多至多几百年而已。所以大力强调要严格定义我很赞成。

家园 if 非正交,then 隐参数(blk cat)

if 非正交 (white cat), then 隐参数 (blk cat), give me something, or u will be fired (:)

1.

"由于价键轨道的非正交性等原因,价键理论的数学结构依然比分子轨道理论复杂得多,程序比较少,而相同精度的计算往往需要更多计算资源,所以价键理论目前仍然不太常用"

not to mention all kind of the social sciences, where 非正交 languages=programming languages, and very often, the more 非正交, the more "charming" it becomes, such as in case of chinese, I guess.

Are we chinese @top class of social sciences of the world in terms of social sciences, tg thinks so, I guess, at least many of them working in pure marxist social sciences fields, etc.

I don't know, and in a 非正交 world, nobody knows, I guess.

But somebody sounds like they know something in a 非正交 world, with apps of their various "隐参数理论".

In qm, "s-cat" =非正交 =隐参数理论, kind of;

In our genes, I guess, we are always looking for "光明照四方" 理论 with tears in our eyes, particularly when 相變 comes, and 相變 comes almost everyday in this mostly 非正交 social world, and quite bit in physics world as well, or entropy will catch up with us, we have to 演化 or 进化 or just do something.

now "隐参数理论", why 隐? because of its 非正交, and its 能标 requirement is often beyond our reality world, and very often into "god's" world, if u will.

then how do they know, because they have 隐参数理论理论, then can we "trust" them?

1) well, this is the ONLY thing we have 4 u, so go 壟斷, baby.

2) brand name, so once top leaders in social sicences=4 ever top leaders, globally.

etc

about 能标

"The highway across the desert": we just started to ge into desert, long way to go

[PPT]

Black Holes and Quantum Physics

www.pitt.edu/~super4/36011-37001/36571.pps

File Format: Microsoft Powerpoint - Quick View

The highway across the desert. Today's. Limit … GUTs. Planck length : Quantum ... his way. through. Stephen Hawking's great discovery: the radiating black hole ...

-----------quoted---------

witten1

http://www.ccthere.com/alist/3830412

(注:量子力学的Bohm隐参数解释能给出所有正统量子力学的预言,当然出没有给出更多的预言)。确实没有论据可以断言一个能自洽的对量子力学的非定域本性给出决定论式的解释是不存在的。既然Bohm给出了一个,那它就是有可能存在的。(注:个人认为隐参数的量子理论没多大意思,隐参数是怎么?没有人说的清,这就像人们依然没有真正理解量子理论的非定域本性一样。你多了一个自由度--隐参数,显然你可以包含的东西会多得多,这没多大意思。多提一句,到今天为止绝大多数的隐参数量子理论都被实验证否了,这使得那些喜欢玩概念的的就加上越来越“强大”的隐参数,让实验更难区分。。。比如前一阵的Gisin的实验证实任何包含有限速度(可以比光速快)的隐参数理论都是不对的,推论就是,隐参数理论得引进一个在逻辑上更加荒谬的无穷的大的传播速度来拯救自己。)

家园 哈哈,谢谢,我已经过了学习英语的年龄,只是想起以前为学

英语的种种,有感而发,我是真心希望,我们的下一代不需要在像我们一样任务式,机械式的去学习英语了。

赵C
家园 英文吸收汉语的也不少,著名的炒面啥的就不说了

台风就是典型。好像还有几个现在常用的词也是当年从粤语引用给英文的

家园 联合国的官方文件的不同语言版本中,中文永远是最薄的。

只要有挖来的甲骨文(含青铜器上面的),3、5、8千年前也可以认识。

家园 那个例子举的不当,汉语没有这么说的。

汉语的说法应该是:你见到一条在追只追老鼠的猫的狗么?

汉语还是很讲究逻辑的,并且讲究的方式包含语速、语气、词汇的变化等等,不能只依靠语法一种公式去套。

家园 也许,天威不违颜咫尺,一位河友提出来的,

我不懂语法,不敢说一定是,感觉可能是。

家园 你看到一只追猫的狗了吗?那猫还追着一只老鼠。

你看到一只追猫的狗了吗?那猫还追着一只老鼠。

这不需要很长的从句吧。

家园 还有“点心”
家园 台风是日语词还是粤语词有争议
家园 汉语可能性大得多,毕竟西方人先认识的汉人,在菲律宾
家园 u're on the money, sir

1.

first of all, let get"tg" out of equation (so this discussion is less political): very likely tg will be there 4 long long time, if I may guess.

tg'結合能 has a "huge energy gap" by "n orders", over tg's domestic and/or international environments' "溫度", so big "boss" is ok, if not 4 "ever".

2.

Now, as has been discussed here in this forum in my and others posts, short of high order "相对论效应 and/or qm 效应" and the invoking of "fulll interaction partition function" type of largely non-existent "evils", "macro non qm" system's partition function works great, even in our social systems, under most of our current live life time scale, at least for past and the current "reforming and openning up" evolution, kind of global.

Largely, big social systems are stable, until it becomes non stable, which will not happen if you as a sys admin can manage to get rid of all potential high order "相对论效应 and/or qm 效应" and the invoking of "fulll interaction partition function" type of large non-existent "evils", etc.

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"要慎选其中的汉字,否则容易产生错误的提示,就会影响思维,但我觉得在用中文的人群中最重要的还是要强调严格定义,分清联想提示与严格定义的关系,就是说虽有联想提示的便利,但也有容易忽视严格定义的弊病,两相抵消,不等于使用汉语就一定会影响精确思考。当然中国的一个弊病就是喜欢附会,我没有比较,不敢说外国就比我们差,不过这也是没有或较少有科学传统的原因,当然外国这个传统也就比我们多至多几百年而已"

this is "ok" and can only be "ok" @系综 level, per ""macro non qm" system's partition function stated in the above paragraph.

4. @individual "分子" level

thoses individual "分子" are mostly and only "平动转动

street smart"@紅外"能标", most of them and most of the time, generally speaking, kind of.

their "弊病 infection" rate would be substantial, just as their "non-弊病-and/or benefit" rate is, probability wise.

5.

yes, those "non-sys admin type" individual "分子" have some kind of "系综" build in their brains 神经系统 and they can learn and adapt, although very likely @limited local level:

"视网膜上的视杆细胞对单光子有反应,神经系统则没这么灵敏,单光子产生的信号不足以产生足够的信噪比。" OldBadBug01

其实最本质的差别,还是在于不同的目的 [ jent ] 于:2012-07-29 19:12:25 复:3761182

生物视觉,是视+觉。

也就是说,这是生物体对外界通过空间上的二维信号在时间上的变化进行感知,进而控制自身行为的一个过程。所以,在图像的采集上,他并不在乎,或者根本就没有什么明确的图像质量一说,而只要求能够满足生物体自身行为的需求就足够了

these are great posts.

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"生物体对外界通过空间上的二维信号在时间上的变化进行感知"

yes, but again, "macro-non-qm" model we use and assume here are time invariant/ galilean invariant, and our ordinary folks natural 感知 model is very limited in its learning and adpating capacities, meaning we can't really deal with "time" changes, if it comes, and it comes a lot: evolution, still hard to deal with in physics and math.

so 感知 as such mostly works very well in a natural physics type of enviromnet such as driving through in a very chanllenging environment, and performing basic physics and math and engineering functions in a "normally flat" social environment as well.

our 紅外"能标" based model has learned in its evolution and know how to work in this mostly very "flat" "gr" earth environment with very little 曲率 if any.

7. now the "bad"

kind of "randomly" and mostly " 二维信号" backrougnd-based, if you are infected with 弊病, most likely you are going to be infected for very long long time, unless you somehow manage to have your 能标 upgraded out of your 紅外 backgound enviroment, your model will keep getting the same type of 二维信号, and your 系综 in your 神经系统 will tell your mind and body, everything is ok.

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in physics, 能标 is very important, and most physics models are 能标 dependent, kind of, except for qcd, which is kind of "标度无关性"

"然而在可重正化场论微扰展开式的高阶中总是要出现形式的因子,这里g是耦合常数,E是某个能量,μ是粒子质量或由重正化引进的参量。这样的项在E2很大时并不能忽略。因此至少在微扰论范围内一般的可重正场论没有无标度性。但是对量子色动力学这样的渐近自由的理论,有效耦合常数在有关的能量、动量趋于无穷大时趋于零。因此,在上述高能过程中标度无关性在极限下可以保持或只有轻微的破坏。这种定性的成功使得量子色动力学受到人们的重视。量子色动力学的微扰论计算结果与轻子深度非弹性散射、电子正电子碰撞产生强子、喷注现象等高能过程的实验数据是一致的。理论与实验在各种过程中的定量比较还需要继续进行"

gauge thoery based qcd, that is as far as human mind can go, out of our current mind 能标.

prof chen and yang, as gauge theory contributors, were all educated in chinese language when growing up in china, and obviousely, they outperformed, and in a big deal, making their contribution to the whole world, pushing our humanity's physics and math science to a new level.

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在全黑的屋子里,你清醒着,你的眼睛会怎么动? 10 总阅:5992 jent 2012-08-24

http://www.cchere.com/topic/3775761

花!一个光子可能不足以产生信号 (桥上;字0 2012-08-24 07:16:56

最近十多年有不少人在关心这个问题 (jent;字393 5 2012-08-24 07:39:51

人脑、眼睛真的可以对单个光子产生反应吗? (桥上;字297 1 2012-08-24 08:48:56

真的是单光子,千万不要低估人体自身的高科技 (jent;字187 1 2012-08-24 09:16:45

人眼自己的噪声就不低吧 (王二狗;字24 1 2012-08-24 10:01:58

嗯,刚听说这个事情时我的反应也是这样。 (jent;字118 2012-08-24 10:43:07

多少像素?与眼睛内的接收光线的细胞比, (桥上;字438 2 2012-08-24 11:37:44

hehehehe, 是我没讲清楚。 (jent;字697 5 2012-08-24 13:06:02

人眼是不会对单光子相应的 (方向符号;字72 1 2012-08-24 18:47:11

据说视网膜神经有雪崩式的放大反应所以可以探测到单光子 (三力思;字118 2 2012-08-24 23:13:32

谢谢兄台指点。 (jent;字54 2012-08-25 02:04:51

好啊好啊,希望你们出了结果在这里发个消息 (桥上;字238 1 2012-08-25 10:22:03

google 一下 (三力思;字3749 2 2012-08-25 12:41:15

通宝推:桥上,
家园 你真是西西河一朵奇葩呀!

这么鄙视中华文化和汉字,那你还用汉语做什么呀?

家园 第二批简化字确实极端便于书写

但最便于书写的字母文字一样,简化字简化到只剩注音和书写,就自然而然失去了内含的文化意境。

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