主题:【讨论】长新冠主要是心理作用?请大家讨论、批判 -- 学步桥
之前不敢贴,怕被骂给躺平找依据。现在出了20条,或许是时候可以讨论了。大家要骂骂作者或者德国腐朽的资本主义制度,别骂我哟。
链接里是原文。我英语水平一般,我的理解是,作者找了一百来个满足WHO定义的长新冠病人,不计成本,把神经病学的检查手段用了个够(神经血管、电生理和血液分析。 部分患者进行了磁共振成像和腰椎穿刺检查。 )然后结论是绝大部分人没有器质性疾病。我水平一般,请大家发表自己的看法,大概率我有读的不准确的地方。
下面是摘要。
Abstract
Introduction
The severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) can affect multiple organs. Reports of persistent or newly emergent symptoms, including those related to the nervous system, have increased over the course of the pandemic, leading to the introduction of post-COVID-19 syndrome. However, this novel syndrome is still ill-defined and structured objectification of complaints is scarce. Therefore, we performed a prospective observational cohort study to better define and validate subjective neurological disturbances in patients with post-COVID-19 syndrome.
Methods
A total of 171 patients fulfilling the post-COVID-19 WHO Delphi consensus criteria underwent a comprehensive neurological diagnostic work-up including neurovascular, electrophysiological, and blood analysis. In addition, magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) and lumbar puncture were conducted in subgroups of patients. Furthermore, patients underwent neuropsychological, psychosomatic, and fatigue assessment.
Results
Patients were predominantly female, middle-aged, and had incurred mostly mild-to-moderate acute COVID-19. The most frequent post-COVID-19 complaints included fatigue, difficulties in concentration, and memory deficits. In most patients (85.8%), in-depth neurological assessment yielded no pathological findings. In97.7% of the cases, either no diagnosis other than post COVID-19 syndrome, or no diagnosis likely related to preceding acute COVID-19 could be established. Sensory or motor complaints were more often associated with a neurological diagnosis other than post-COVID-19 syndrome. Previous psychiatric conditions were identified as a risk factor for developing post-COVID-19 syndrome. We found high somatization scores in our patient group that correlated with cognitive deficits and the extent of fatigue.
Conclusions
Albeit frequently reported by patients, objectifiable affection of the nervous system is rare in post-COVID-19 syndrome. Instead, elevated levels of somatization point towards a pathogenesis potentially involving psychosomatic factors. However, thorough neurological assessment is important in this patient group in order to not miss neurological diseases other than post-COVID-19.
Key Summary Points
Why carry out this study?
To validate subjective neurological complaints in patients with post-COVID-19 by applying a comprehensive neuro-psychiatric diagnostic workup.
What was learned from the study?
The nervous system is rarely affected in patients with post-COVID-19 syndrome.
Psychosomatic factors probably contribute to the pathogenesis of post-COVID-19 syndrome.
Patients presenting with post-COVID-19 should be thoroughly assessed in order to not miss other diagnoses.
另外,作者是德国的。据说德国请病假医保给付工资,不知道是不是真的。如果是,大概能解释一部分。请在德国的网友证实或者证伪。
你说你有症状,指标不正常,而且真的很疼;医生说你疼是臆想的,是心理因素。
这睁着眼睛说瞎话的本事,真是从西方学来的“先进”经验呐。
马丁雅克的儿子,长新冠的病例清清楚楚的放在那里,这些专家们就敢信口雌黄。
- 待认可未通过。偏要看
马上中国就会有很多感染病人,不出半年就会大量有“是否存在长新冠或长新冠是怎么回事”的研究文章。这将是实打实的中国数据,符合我们的种族特征。
而且中国字,不用读英文那么不舒服了😂
中国的长新冠,发生率应该是城市大于乡村,体制内大于体制外,而且跟国外一样,中年妇女比例远大于其在人口中的比例。
玩笑话😁
就说说覆盖德国绝大部分人群的公立医疗保险成员的病假规定吧。如果病假在六周以内,雇主付全额工资。超过六周截止到78周,保险公司付病假金,金额为税前收入的70%,但是不高于时候收入的90%。
另外三天以下的病假不须出示医生开具的病假单,病假单一式两份,给保险公司的那份包括疾病名称,给雇主的那份只说明该员工因病缺勤的时间。
就是跟中国过去老国企那种,找个理由说自己是病号,也不是完全不上班,就是没事早来晚走,隔三岔五请个假的中年妇女。你说的“六周以内”是一年累计还是一次性?我估计一次性超过六周的应该不多吧。就算是那种爱偷奸耍滑的,真要一连六周不去,领导不说,自己也不好意思。
三天以内才不需要病假单。关系好的医生给开几天的病假单有可能,开那么长时间的病假单肯定要有实实在在的病,否则对医生也是风险。
类似的,德国学校如果有重要考试的话,临时病假一定要出示医生的病假单,这样就可以参加补考或者说不会浪费一次考试机会。一般的家庭医生可能会在第一次高抬贵手,但是第二次开始就难说了。
我老婆年轻同事的同居男友,不到30岁。我见过一次,谈笑风生不像有病样子。说是有免疫系统的毛病,不能疲劳,要远离人群和病毒。。。从未正经工作过。政府支付福利,高于普通失业救济。没有时间限制。当她听说我两年失业期间只给发了6个月补贴(因为我老婆收入尚可),建议我打电话找人倾诉。她认为倾诉很起作用。实际上每个具体案例都是由经办人决定。政府福利支出,没有上级去查个案的合理性。
英国福利制度的社会主义性质是很让人吃惊。但是这种福利社会实际上也预示未来的困难。
我认为你的猜测很有道理。
我开始都没看懂,看到燕兄楼下回复我才恍然大悟😂
楼主暗示的假“长新冠”拿钱不上班会加重负担;国内部分热血媒体说的国外老人已经应死尽死应该是大大减轻负担;但是疫情导致真“长新冠”,劳动力市场的紧缺也会加重负担;而因为政府躺平,老百姓害怕传染不敢看病又会减轻负担;总之种种因素都会影响。
事实如何,造成这个事实的原因,你怎么看?
德国医保是强制性的,除了少数高收入人群可以参加私保,绝大多数人都是公立医保,疫情两年多,公立医保已经有了一百多亿欧元的缺口,只能政府出钱来补,本来医保要涨钱,因为俄乌冲突造成的通货膨胀,老百姓其他支出增多,今年没有涨,明年是肯定要涨的,每人每年要多交上百欧甚至几百欧的医保😭
德国媒体报道过,德国治疗一个重症平均要上万欧,如果送进ICU抢救下来并且治愈要6万欧,都是巨大的支出,因为德国是全民医保,这些钱都是医保出,德国新冠死亡快20万了,就算其中10万是经过抢救的,这就要多少钱了。