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主题:【整理原创】朝鲜战争中的细菌战(系列终结篇) -- 思炎

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家园 请问思炎网友,您到底看过那纪录片没有?

您说:

注意你也犯了个错误,其实不用跟你引用的Endicott文章扯起来的。 我给的是如下,是纪录片《肮脏的小秘密》中的截屏和旁白:

A third crucial document – marked “Top Secret” – showed that in September 1951, the US Joint Chiefs of Staff issued orders to begin “large scale field tests… to determine the effectiveness of specific BW [bacteriological warfare] agents under operational conditions.”

If these “field tests” were indeed undertaken, then they may have drawn again on the expertise of the Japanese biological warfare team.

还要注意的是,这个文件是第三份秘密文件,有些有关细菌战的文件美国隐藏,没有公布(或可能销毁)。这里还有一个要注意的词是AGAIN。

我是蛮惊讶的,因为整个纪录片《肮脏的小秘密》中,并没有您上面提到的所谓第三份秘密文件的英文旁白。您上面引的那段"A third crucial document...",不就是直接从半岛电视台的网页剪贴下来的吗?那可是网页写的,可不是旁白。

http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/peopleandpower/2010/03/201031761541794128.html

而在这半岛电视台制作的纪录片《肮脏的小秘密》中所谓您截屏的那一段,就正是我这里提到的JASC备忘录 1837/26,哪有另外的秘密命令?

请看片中28:33起的那段,它的旁白是:

.... in late 1951, as the American forces were bogged down in Korea, the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff issued a top secret order to begin testing germ weapons on the battlefield. (2nd voice) large-scale field tests should be conducted to determine the effectiveness of the specific BW agents under the operational conditions.

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外链图片需谨慎,可能会被源头改

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外链图片需谨慎,可能会被源头改

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外链图片需谨慎,可能会被源头改

这三个截屏正是我前面讨论的JCS 1837/26 备忘录,也就是 yfb 贴的那个东西(第5条不是看得很清楚吗?),不是命令。JCS批准这个文件的命令是在1952年2月25/26日,前面引文忠志的话已经说过了。这个文件批准了,才让各军种开始写指令以进行对生物战的准备,但连这个文件都还没批下来,中朝已经大肆指控美军进行大规模的细菌战。

思炎网友连自己引的东西都没看,就剪贴半岛电视台的东西人云亦云,然後发明了这第三个秘密命令的说法,这不就是您前面开了洋洋洒洒4个帖子,却被人一问就倒的悲剧重演吗?

然後呢,思炎网友又来随便乱套,把文忠志补风追影的东西也拿来证明这个9月命令。

并且,就算你引用的Endicott的文章,他的文章中也对文件时间做了说明:

At the meeting for what was described as the covert implementation of Takeoff,on 3 October 1951, the service personnel were hesitant, even a little suspicious. Army General John Magruder confessed that he had delayed forwarding the plan to the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Although the documents carried a memo saying that it was an approved plan, the representative of the Pentagon wanted to know why there was no formal indication of this fact on the plan itself. Why was there no box carrying the facsimile signature of the person in authority? Why was there no indication that the plan was a numbered paper in the series of PSB formal papers?' After receiving assurances, General Magruder indicated to the meeting that he would 'probably forward the plan for action tomorrow.' (29) An uneasiness, an air of reluctance, was clearly evident.

Four days later, in accordance with 'an oral directive,' three Army colonels left Washington for a top secret trip to see General Ridgway, commander-in-chief of the Far East Command in Tokyo. (30) We do not know whether this trip was part of TAKEOFF. Perhaps it was a chance event. But in another coincidence, when US Air Force Colonel Andrew J. Evans, Jr., who had previously worked in the War Plans Division, was shot down by the Chinese in 1953, he told his captors that planning for the BW campaign in Korea had begun in October 1951. His statement was corroborated by another high ranking POW, Colonel Frank H. Schwable, chief of staff of the Marine air wing when he was shot down in Korea, who added that the Joint Chiefs of Staff had sent [their] directive by hand to General Ridgway in October 1951, ordering the initiation of bacteriological warfare in Korea on an initially small, experimental stage but in expanding proportions.(31)。。。。

。。。。There are further grounds to ask the question whether the anxiety around TAKEOFF related to biological warfare. As nervous rumblings about the operation continued into late November 1951, there was a flap about 'statements concerning Novel Weapons. Some serious reservations about TAKEOFF continued, from Secretary of Defense Lovett down through the military staff. But the director of the Psychological Strategy Board, former secretary of the army Gordon Gray, presumably with presidential backing, continued to push. The Joint Chiefs of Staff eventually approved the plan 21 December 1951 and reported that implementing plans have been prepared and are in the hands of operating agencies. (35)

这文忠志整段东西里到底讲了 Operation Takeoff 是什麽?完全没有,全都是猜测。连那3个上校在干什麽都不知道,就推测他们是跟 Operation Takeoff 有关,然後後面就把这所有跟 Operation Takeoff 当成细菌战了。还真有这种论证的方法哦?

像这种 JCS 跟 FEC 间派高级信差的事所在多有,很多意见用文件或电报讲不清楚,都会派一些幕僚去把事情讲清楚。就如李奇微接任 FEC 後,为了把自己职责搞清楚,并且让意见上达沟通,就多次派过属下幕僚到华府当面解释。文忠志把东西拼凑在一起,开始还假意说一句不晓得是不是 chance event,接下来就直接说这些人是跟 Operation Takeoff 有关。一不知道 Operation Takeoff 到底是什麽,也不知道这些上校是否真的传达了 Operation Takeoff 的信息,然後就直接说 Operation Takeoff 跟生物战有关,这真的是非常瞎搞的论证。

请问思炎网友,Operation Takeoff 到底是在讲什麽?文忠志拿到这文件(杜鲁门图书馆可取得),请问他引出了多少有实质的内容?

还是一句话,自己看都没看过,盲目的引用是不行的。

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