主题：回一刀兄，兼及范美忠：范美忠怎么可能和自由主义关系不大？ -- 细脖大头鬼
家园 人似乎热爱自由，其实只是痛恨主子 似乎自己受到了点委屈，便都是别人的错。
在他们眼里，这是中国的原罪
家园 Good Point!
家园 老余这个例子太妙了 俺估计他最早写那些东西是忽悠小姑娘用的，尤其是没有什么社会经验的小姑娘，结果看那么多人捧场，就越忽悠越大发．
其实写那些东西，阿姨比老余强多了，不过阿姨是个厚道人．
家园 大头：有空写写林达，这家伙在国内很害人的！ 其文章把米国就写得跟天堂似的
家园 向你推荐林达的两本书 一本是《带一本书去巴黎》
一本是《西班牙旅行笔记》
带一本书去巴黎，讲述了法国大革命的一段历史。如果能找到中国文革的一些资料，对比起来看，更有意思。^_^
西班牙旅行笔记也很有趣。对西班牙历史不熟悉的人可以从里面看到西班牙从国王——独裁者——君主立宪的民主国家这段历史。我在天涯社区闲闲书话有一个帖子是这本书的读后感。有兴趣的人可以去看看。
家园 三联小资化了，他的书好贵、好抒情，不值得买，所以手头没有。 另外应该找在美国搞历史、政治学和法学的高手去评价。我也在等是否有合适的人能约写一下。不知河里有没有更好的政治哲学的写手。我不是这个专业的，我倒想写，但没有那个高水平，也暂时没那个精力和材料。国内值得写的东西还很多，也许慢慢会牵扯到。
多谢关注。现在这些题目在河里显得还比较“偏”，希望河里这方面高手越来越多，能引起更多的讨论。
家园 他们也许没想骗人 只是自己先被忽悠了。意识形态这种东西，真信了就很难出来了。我更相信他们的东西是主题先行的产物。
- 复 他们也许没想骗人
家园 听说你在美国有没有空帮忙查证一件东西 这个MOD训练手册是怎么一回事？是象林达描述的那样么？
家园 【文摘】some materials for reference 美国人享有更广泛的言论自由，这是毫无疑问的。
林达书中所描述的“M.O.D.Manual”的内容应该是没问题。但是他没有提事情的另一面。（1）这书是邮购（mail order）发行（在中国还能买到制冰毒的邮购出版物呢）；（2）现在不卖了，至少不公开卖了。
After the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the media flocked to groups like MOM. This increased exposure led to scrutiny of the publications MOM sold, forcing some titles to be pulled from distribution. MOM used to sell a guerilla warfare training manual entitled the M.O.D. Manual. Among other things, it advocated undertaking domestic terrorism, raiding armories for weapons, and kidnaping sports figures and other public figures. MOM eventually quit selling the M.O.D. Manual, and MHRN noticed that other questionable material was no longer advertised for sale.见链接外链出处。更有趣的是，
David Trochmann, 49, a co-founder of the Militia of Montana, confirmed in an interview on Wednesday that his group was distributing the manual. His group's name and address is on the front page.这是纽约时报的报导，见链接外链出处。But, he said, the paramilitary group was not the manual's author. Furthermore, he said he did not know who the author was or what "M.O.D." stood for. He also said he had not read the documents and did not know about their contents.
"If this stuff is in here and we haven't checked it out completely, then it's coming out of the catalogue," Mr. Trochmann said. "This manual has not been checked out thoroughly, and it should have been checked out. I don't agree with any of that stuff. We didn't realize this kind of stuff was in there. This one slipped by."
Mr. Trochmann also said he did not know how many manuals had been distributed, even though the $75 price made them among the most expensive items in the Militia of Montana's extensive catalogue.
我们知道，仅仅言论本身不会入罪，关键是行为。而Militia of Montana“did not engage in paramilitary training and was able to avoid the wave of arrests -- stemming largely from violent, weapons-related crimes -- that swept the movement later in the decade（1990s）.”（见外链出处）
另外，MOM 属于美国的Militia movement，
The Militia movement is a right wing social and political movement of paramilitary groups, with an anti-big government philosophy, in the United States.andThe Militia movement is a paramilitary outgrowth of the independent survivalist movement, tax-protester movement and other movements in the subculture of what is collectively called the "Christian Patriot movement" in the United States. The formation of the militias was influenced by the historical precedent of existing paramilitary movements such as the Posse Comitatus, the Aryan Nations, and groups associated with Christian Identity.见链接外链出处。这种运动在美国是有土壤的，不公开的同情者到处都是，最多被边缘化，不会被取缔。家园 reply u later sorry, i didn't notice ur message until now.
家园 好文再顶一顶 那个美国人的评论太棒了。
别给我提林达，他们两个就是住在美国搞政治散文的余秋雨。这一段简直再恰当不过了。我怎么就写不出来呢？
