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    • 家园 Wow it really hums

      荷诺很滥,但尼桑娶了她以后车子做得越来越欧陆,基本上都是又性感又优雅

      • 家园 请教一下 东风日产的骊威这个车怎么样

        日产口碑又如何

        • 家园 骊威俺不了解

          日产在美国市场中,在整体上大概是仅次于丰田、本田的日本品牌。她跟二田一样,也是走大众路线,而日本另外两家(马兹达和死巴鲁)则是走小众路线,吸引少数有特殊需要的消费者。所以无论是品牌知名度还是销量日产都是仅次于二田的日车。其主打车型从高到底 Maxima, Altima, Sentra,外型都非常棒,很欧洲,甚至可能是所有大众车型中最漂亮的(宝马奔驰奥迪绅宝沃尔沃大众这些外型上对日产都没有优势)。内饰也没有cheap的感觉,虽然仔细比较起来还是逊于那几款欧陆豪华车。质量可靠性方面也应高于或等于多数欧洲车型。但动力和驾驶感方面很一般。08款的Altima是北美卖得最成功的车型之一(不仅仅在日系中,而是所有车型),俺家LD买的就是这款,我经常开,动力加速和驾驶感方面都那么回事儿。作为家庭用车蛮好,如果再有更高的追求,还是算了吧。

          • 家园 老兄厚道啊 谢了 兄弟这里花花了

            近来有点闲钱 想弄辆车满足一下虚荣心 兼满足一下老爸多年的心愿 特此一问

            不过 这个东风日产的质量水平如何 可能国外就不大好说了吧

      • 家园 原来的尼桑是日本企业腐败的典型,一个很好的企业

        弄得破产。 尼桑的技术绝对是一流的。

    • 家园 尼桑回击:会不会开GT-R啊?我可以教教你。

      日本汽车公司向来对德国的同行对手是比较低调的。 为何现在尼桑牛了起来了呢? 我个人猜测是尼桑老板,那个法国人卡洛斯的缘故。 法国人对德国人嘛,哈哈,不用说了,心里的那口气。。。汽车这个东西有是非常情绪化的东西。可惜的是法国汽车在德国汽车面前总是低一头的。 现在卡洛斯手里有了尼桑,而尼桑在汽车工程上的底子在世界汽车工业属于名列前矛的, 卡洛斯绝对不会不利用这个机会的。 最近我还看到网上小道消息说尼桑的新Z370就是要全方位压倒保时捷的CAYMAN。

      下面应用长了点,但最后两段尼桑口气实在厉害:1)你得学会怎么养车,2)不会开我们的车我们可以办个学习班教教你。

      Nissan Motor Company Ltd.

      Global Communications

      October 9, 2008

      Statement

      NISSAN GT-R TEST PROCEDURES

      In light of comments made recently in the media concerning the testing of the Nissan GT-R, it is clear that there are some important facts that were not accurately represented.

      Background

      On September 24, 2007 the Nissan GT-R recorded a lap time of the Nordschleife circuit at Germany's Nurburgring of seven minutes and 38 seconds. This lap time was completed in weather conditions that the Nissan test team knew would not show the full potential of the car.

      On April 17, 2008 the Nissan test team was back at the Nurburgring and recorded a new lap time of seven minutes and 29 seconds, several times.

      For all testing at the Nurburgring and other circuits such as Sendai Highlands in Japan, the GT-R development team used production specification vehicles with production specification tires. These tests are part of the extensive performance and durability program undertaken before, during and after the commercial introduction of the GT-R.

      The GT-R is a world-class supercar developed to be sold in multiple global markets. While specifications can differ across the various markets, the cars used to record both Nurburgring lap times were identical to the Japanese market production specification cars.

      For the April 2008 test, the GT-R carried an additional 50kg of weight due to the Marelli data recorder and video camera equipment. In addition, the test was witnessed by 'Best Motoring' magazine from Japan who reported the test in their July 2008 issue, which included a DVD program of the session.

      Nissan records the lap times around the Nurburgring using the same methodology and measuring locations as Sport Auto Magazine in Germany. Sport Auto Magazine provides the most consistent and objective measurement of lap times around the Nurburgring, allowing accurate comparisons between different vehicles.

      In both timed lap sessions at the Nurburgring, chief test driver and professional racing driver, Toshio Suzuki was at the wheel. Suzuki has been the chief test driver on the GT-R program throughout the vehicle's development.

      Tires

      The GT-R offers two different tire choices for customers:

      Bridgestone POTENZA RE070R

      Dunlop SP SPORT 600 DSST CTT

      For the tests conducted at the Nurburgring where the lap times of 7:38 and 7:29 were recorded, the Dunlop tires were used. The tires – which are designed for high performance driving in the dry and wet - used in the tests were identical to the production specification tires available to GT-R customers.

      In June, 2008 Dunlop Japan issued a press release announcing that their tires had been used by Nissan to record the 7:29 lap time. The release can be accessed in Japanese and English at:

      http://www.dunlop.co.jp/newsrelease/2008/2008_039.htm

      http://www3.srigroup.co.jp/CACHE/news_news_e_newsobj144_2008.cfm

      For any media interested in seeing the actual tires used at the test (7:29 lap time), they should contact the Public Relations Department at Sumitomo Rubber Industries, Ltd. in Japan.

      Driving the GT-R

      Consistent with industry benchmarking practices, we are aware that several auto makers have purchased the GT-R for their own testing and evaluation. Like all GT-R customers, we recommend that any auto maker buying a GT-R should follow the recommended run-in procedures, service schedules and maintenance to ensure the maximum performance from their car.

      In addition, we offer performance driving courses for prospective and current GT-R owners to help them get the best performance from their car. We would welcome the opportunity to help any auto manufacturer with understanding the full capabilities of the GT-R.

      Remarks

      From Kazutoshi Mizuno, Chief Vehicle Engineer and Chief Product Specialist for GT-R:

      "We have used circuits like the Nurburgring and Sendai extensively during the development of the GT-R. The fastest lap-time was never the objective but a simple parameter for us to measure the GT-R in a consistent way against other world class supercars."

      "Testing a car with specialized parts such as unique tires or suspension has no meaning for us. The GT-R was designed from the start to be a supercar that could be driven anywhere, anytime and by anyone. For us, testing the car in standard production specification is far more relevant than creating a one-off vehicle that our customers cannot buy."

      Conclusion

      Due to the weather conditions at the Nurburgring, testing has now stopped and will resume around April 2009. Nissan will be back at the Nurburgring testing both the standard GT-R and upcoming additional models. We look forward to welcoming more members of the media to join us for these test sessions, consistent with our transparency at previous test sessions.

      • 家园 昨天看了,很搞笑,不过也没什么不对

        这个是所谓的Street Lagal 的选配件, 倒也的确没有用半融胎之类的轮胎。

        在相似发动机(3.6-3.8L 双Turbo)四轮驱动跑车中,尼桑客户只要用低于一半的价格就可以享受911GT2的性能,这个才是波尔舍受不了的地方。

        4门版的GTR 日本已经出了样车,很期待呀。

        • 家园 那让我们等着看媒体是怎样对比Z370和CAYMAN吧。

          让保时捷气恼的还有是大部分媒体的对比试验(就我看到的)都说GT-R的操纵感觉好于911 GT2/TURBO。 这不光是说价钱便宜,而且东西还比你的好, 这让保时捷受不了。

          加拿大SUBARU IMPREZA上市的广告也很猛:A CAR THAT GERMAN WISH TO MAKE。 他们的电视广告里几个德国工程师唱着德国歌开着impreza很乐的样子,然后被他们的德国主管恶狠狠地瞪着。 收音机里的广告也类似。 这样对德挑衅的态度以前是没有的。

          • 家园 2009 370Z SynchroRev Match

            呵呵,以后俺们也能Heel and Toe了

            http://jalopnik.com/5114318/nissan-370z-syncrorev-match-stick-shift-tech-turns-average-joe-into-super-driver

            • 家园 这种开法难得一用。 这种情况平时我都是两次离合。
            • 家园 370Z那样子的,都不需要heel & toe了吧

              降档电脑自动轰转速,只要toe踩刹车就行了,脚跟不用再跟油门啦,哈哈

              我在我车上试过heel & toe,太容易扭伤脚踝,作罢了...

          • 家园 我预测...

            370Z可能会像Modern Muscle Car,动力无穷。 Caymen更注重精致的操控。

            跑赛道可能是370z快,不过这两种风格不好直接对比啊。

            • 家园 看消息说370Z把轴距大幅度缩短到99英寸,

              就是为了追求这个精致的操控。

              风格嘛,保时捷的Old school那一套还真是很有CHARM的,其众追随者是不屑于尼桑的。

              • 家园 缩轴距+更大的发动机,对操控可能有影响

                要是配重还是在车头52%/53%左右,轴距又缩的不是地方的话,和Caymen比“精致操控”估计是没戏。

                个人觉得运动车型车头稍微轻点是硬道理...变向快,方向盘助力少,手感好,后轮又有更多的牵引力。

                新闻说370z会比350z小很多,加上彪悍的发动机,一般路上彪加速的话,应该是相当强了。当然宝时捷车主可能不屑于和nissan跑。

                • 家园 不要迷信重量分布,那只是良好操控性的众多要素之一而已

                  现在我看来,软的比硬的更重要。

                  硬的设计,那些东西,那些搞动力和地盘的都是清楚的,怎么调法,都是一流的高手了。 GT-R还是头重。(当然911尾重更难对付),但GT-R我认为是胜在电子控制上了。 现在电子控制比悬架几何设计、重量分布等等起到更重要的作用。 象SUBARU STI那样的靠硬的只能搞到那个地步了,而EVO的电子控制动力分配就是raised bar。

                  真的美国肌肉车,象现在的道奇的挑战者和雪弗莱的卡麦罗,不完全是蛮力,300马力的车才2万美元出头,但也抛弃了死后轴用上了多连杆后悬和电子稳定系统了。

                  点看全图

                  外链图片需谨慎,可能会被源头改

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