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  • 家园 认识一霉倒夫受害者

    午饭时知道了俺以前所在group的老板的老板上了Madoff的贼船了。全部身家2个米令都投在那里了。现在应该50多岁了,人整个已经都垮掉了。不仅如此,这位一直在高层中间帮着口碑Madoff。所以不少高层都入了老鼠会。CFO, CIO都投了。多少钱不知道,不过这种老鼠会没有一个米令进不去。所以大家都说这位要准备简历了。

    更cool的是,临散前,一个平时挺沉默寡言的老美突然说了一句,those Jews deserve this。当然丫也就当着我们老中老印的面说说。hehe


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    • 家园 听到这消息,有一种邪恶的满足感啊
    • 家园 全部身家2个米令都投在那里了。现在应该50多岁了

      50多岁身家才2个米令,美国人真是不存钱啊!是否退休金很高,福利很好啊?

    • 家园 是deserve还是deserved啊?

      这个很关键

    • 家园 又一个胖子出来了.

      老鼠会这种东西,过几年就会批着新的外衣出现,这次爱莲版主也被这个卖刀夫忽悠了,虽然没损失钱,没错,这个老卖搞的就是正宗的老鼠会,一点技术含量都没有的老鼠会,不过外衣是蛮漂亮的,比上一个胖子要精到,没有采取涸泽而渔高息揽储的办法,而是采取了稳健的货币政策,每个月一个点的回报,这让整套骗局看起来不象是老鼠会,更绝的是这家伙公开说,现在在金融界已经不可能发生犯罪的行为,没有人能够长期犯罪不被发现,给他的入狱做了一个最好的注脚.

    • 家园 小问个问题

      他估计参加老鼠会有年了......前几年赚了多少?

    • 家园 这钱应该都到哪了,一个人怎么花也用不了这么多钱。

      后来人的本金用来支付前面人的利息。前面人都是有头有脸有地位的,没有一百万还不让你进呢。有账本在那里,之前收多少还出来多少就得了,还有人能赖了不成。账算清了,大家的损失不见得比大多数股民损失的多。

    • 家园 金融时报上报道,

      不少大银行和基金都钻进了这位纳斯达克前董事会主席的老鼠会圈套:

      HSBC投入10亿美刀

      Fortis估计是14亿,-这个应该是平安被坑了的那个银行吧?

      Royal Bank of Scotland投入5.98亿

      BNP Paribas投入4.64亿

      Man是3.6亿

      Nomura投入3.03亿

      上面是几个大家熟悉的名字,遭受到更大损失者银行和基金:

      -Fairfield Greenwich投入75亿美刀

      -Banco Santanders是30.73亿

      -Tremont Capital Management估计投入了30亿美刀

      -Kingate投入25亿

      -Bank Medici投入21亿

      全部名单:

      外链出处

      这老鼠会真是绝对是顶级的,看挖仓的Madoff(NASDAQ董事会主席和监管会governor、在数个文化和慈善机构任职)和那些前赴后继的业界大拿们。。。

      你老板不会是Palm Beach Country Club的会员吧,据说Madoff专门在这种有钱人出没的地方拉客,或者直接面向犹太人社区。

      • 家园 这个Fairfield Greenwich fund很有

        据江湖上第一大八卦报纸WSJ爆料,Fairfield Greenwich的老板娶的是一个阿根廷布宜诺斯艾利斯的名门小姐,生了5个女儿(他老婆比较没用哈)。5个女婿都在各地帮Fairfield Greenwich拉生意,主要的就是介绍欧洲银行家到老马的fund里投资。当时老马的fund在瑞士银行界招牌响当当,如果有人不给老马送钱,then you have to justify yourself,就是说你如果不给老马投钱,在瑞士银行界都不好意思跟人打招呼。

        现在老马栽了,Fairfield Greenwich的老板召集所有家人(!)在牛腰开会(此fund在康州fairfield,不知Jack Welch有没有给老马投钱),讨论如何跟客户解释老马的事。

        这华尔街就是一帮子混混在里面瞎JB乱搞。

    • 家园 霉到负是均富卡

      呵呵

    • 家园 号外! FED federal fund rate=0

      老广说说。

      我觉得银行inter-bank rate其实已经很低了,降到零又如何?问题是risk premium那么高,公司还是借不到钱。

      • 家园 现在还是要看package吧。

        对西方来说。现在金融货币政策没什么作用了,当然一直砸下去最后肯定起作用。这样砸下去,货币总有毛的一天啊。

        需求是需要信心刺激的,没信心没需求,没需求负利率也没有用。还是看奥黑的package行不行吧,我觉得是没戏,不过老美容易骗。美国起码十年歇下去了。

    • 家园 +US senator,Steven Spielberg

      Charity Run by Senator Lautenberg Is Among Madoff Investor

      Wikipedia: Bernard L. Madoff

      Madoff’s Investors Had More Than $30 Billion: Table

      Client Total Source

      Access International $1.4 billion Company statement,

      Advisors Bloomberg Data

      Aozora Bank Ltd. 12.4 billion Company statement

      yen ($137

      million)

      Banco Santander SA 2.33 billion Company statement

      euros ($3.1

      billion)

      Banque Benedict Hentsch $48 million Company statement

      & Cie. SA

      BBVA 300 mln euros Company Statement

      ($404 mln)

      Benbassat & Cie. $935 million Reuters, citing Le Temps

      BNP Paribas SA Up to 350 Company statement

      million euros

      ($478.2 mln)

      Boston philanthropist $145 million Boston Globe

      Carl Shapiro’s

      charitable foundation

      Bramdean Alternatives 9.5 percent Company statement

      Ltd. of assets

      Clal Insurance 3 mln shekels Company statement

      ($778,800)

      CNP Assurances 3 mln euros Company statement

      ($4.1 million)

      Dexia SA 78 million Company statement

      euros ($106.9

      million)

      EIM Group $230 million Reuters, citing Le Temps

      Elie Wiesel Foundation Undetermined Wall Street Journal

      For Humanity

      Fairfield Greenwich $7.5 billion Bloomberg News,

      Group Company Statement

      Fix Asset Management $400 million Company Statement

      Fortis Bank Netherlands 1 bln euros

      ($1.4 bln)

      GMAC LLC Chairman Most of its Wall Street Journal

      Jacob Ezra Merkin’s $1.8 billion

      Ascot Partners LLC of assets

      Groupama 10 mln euros Company Statement

      ($13.6 mln)

      Harel Insurance $14.2 million Company statement

      Investments & Financial

      Services Ltd.

      HSBC Holdings Plc $1 billion Company statement

      JEHT Foundation Undetermined; Company Statement

      Will close.

      Julian J. Levitt $6 million Washington Post

      Foundation

      Kingate Management Ltd. $3.5 billion Bloomberg News,

      Bloomberg Data

      Korea Life Insurance Co. $50 million Yonhap News

      Korea Teachers Pension $9.1 million Company statement

      Leonard Litwin Undetermined Spokesman

      Madoff Family Foundation $19 million Washington Post

      Man Group Plc $360 million Company statement

      Maxam Capital $280 million Wall Street Journal

      Management LLC

      M&B Capital Partners 137.4 El Mundo newspaper

      million euros

      ($187.9 mln)

      Mediobanca $671,000 Company statement

      Mirabaud & Cie. A few million Reuters, citing Le Temps

      Swiss Francs

      Mitsubishi UFJ $11 million Company spokesman

      Financial Group Inc.

      Mort Zuckerman’s $30 million CNBC Interview

      charitable trust

      Natixis Up to 450 Company statement

      million euros

      ($614 mln)

      Neue Privat Bank $5 Million Bloomberg News

      New York Mets Undetermined Company statement

      owner Fred Wilpon’s

      Sterling Equities Inc.

      Nomura Holdings Inc. $302 Million Company statement

      Nordea Bank AB 48 mln euros Company statement

      ($65.6 mln)

      Norman Braman, Undetermined Wall Street Journal

      Former owner of the

      Philadelphia Eagles

      Football Team

      North Shore-Long Island $5 million Company statement

      Jewish Health System

      Notz, Stucki & Cie Undetermined Reuters, citing Le Temps

      Phoenix Holdings 48 mln shekels Company Statement

      ($12.42 mln)

      Pioneer Alternative Almost all Bloomberg News

      Investments of its $280

      million of

      assets

      Robert I. Lappin $8 million Washington Post

      Charitable Foundation

      Royal Bank of Canada Less than Globe and Mail

      C$50 million

      ($40 million)

      Royal Bank of $360 million Company statement

      Scotland Group Plc

      Reichmuth & Co.’s $330 million Letter to clients

      Reichmuth Matterhorn

      fund

      Societe Generale SA Less than 10 Company statement

      million euros

      ($13.7 mln)

      Sumitomo Life 2 billion yen Company spokesman

      Insurance Co. ($22 million)

      Technion 25 mln shekels Company Statement

      ($6.5 mln)

      Tremont Capital $3.3 billion Bloomberg News

      Management

      U.S. Senator Frank Undetermined Bergen Record,

      Lautenberg’s Bloomberg News

      Charitable Foundation

      UniCredit SpA 75 mln euros Company statement

      ($102.5 mln)

      Union Bancaire Privee # Less than Company statement

      1.26 billion

      Swiss francs

      ($1.08 billion)

      Steven Spielberg’s

      Wunderkinder Foundation Undetermined Wall Street Journal,

      Bloomberg

      Yeshiva University Undetermined Washington Post

      and statement

      Total (approximate) $29.9 billion

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