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      • 家园 笑死人哩,这帮人其实是过去村里的流氓二混子

        指望他们闹革命,真是搞笑了。村里有地主老财,流氓二混子给地主老财当打手,欺负第三世界的穷苦人。本来这世界天经地义就是这个秩序,流氓二混子比上不足,比下还有余,也是上等人了。可惜是出了个中国妖孽,穷人家也有枪有炮,地主老财靠流氓二混子抢不了穷人,也没有白食给流氓二混子吃了,于是就占领花儿街。这种情况穷苦人唯一要做的就是,扎紧篱笆墙,拿稳猎枪,瞄准一帮子豺狼。

      • 家园 我给你来点实在的

        喊口号,营养价值不高。我们来看看他们究竟要求什么?

        外链出处

        1.CONGRESS PASS HR 1489 ("RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT" http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1489 ). THIS REINSTATES MANY PROVISIONS OF THE GLASS-STEAGALL ACT. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass–Steagall_Act --- Wiki entry summary: The repeal of provisions of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933 by the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act in 1999 effectively removed the separation that previously existed between investment banking which issued securities and commercial banks which accepted deposits. The deregulation also removed conflict of interest prohibitions between investment bankers serving as officers of commercial banks. Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 2007–2011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms. Here's detail on repeal in 1999 and how it happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass–Steagall_Act#Repeal .

        要求金融管制。这个是好的。只是美国的lawmaker太狡猾了。就算这个demand他们答应了,后面再出什么要蛾子还是可能的。

        2.USE CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY AND OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE FEDERAL AGENCIES FULLY INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE THE WALL STREET CRIMINALS who clearly broke the law and helped cause the 2008 financial crisis in the following notable cases: (insert list of the most clear cut criminal actions). There is a pretty broad consensus that there is a clear group of people who got away with millions / billions illegally and haven't been brought to justice. Boy would this be long overdue and cathartic for millions of Americans. It would also be a shot across the bow for the financial industry. If you watch the solidly researched and awared winning documentary film "Inside Job" that was narrated by Matt Damon (pretty brave Matt!) and do other research, it wouldn't take long to develop the list.

        这个是他们的lynch list。可能会丢出几个顶罪的。真正的大头他们是动不了的。

        3.CONGRESS ENACT LEGISLATION TO PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY BY REVERSING THE EFFECTS OF THE CITIZENS UNITED SUPREME COURT DECISION which essentially said corporations can spend as much as they want on elections. The result is that corporations can pretty much buy elections. Corporations should be highly limited in ability to contribute to political campaigns no matter what the election and no matter what the form of media. This legislation should also RE-ESTABLISH THE PUBLIC AIRWAVES IN THE U.S. SO THAT POLITICAL CANDIDATES ARE GIVEN EQUAL TIME FOR FREE AT REASONABLE INTERVALS IN DAILY PROGRAMMING DURING CAMPAIGN SEASON. The same should extend to other media.

        选举献金的问题。老实说,美国人对这种腐败的认识还是很幼稚的。反正不能公开买选举,我就暗地里买嘛。

        4.CONGRESS PASS THE BUFFETT RULE ON FAIR TAXATION SO THE RICH AND CORPORATIONS PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE & CLOSE CORPORATE TAX LOOP HOLES AND ENACT A PROHIBITION ON HIDING FUNDS OFF SHORE. No more GE paying zero or negative taxes. Pass the Buffet Rule on fair taxation so the rich pay their fair share. (If we have a really had a good negotiating position and have the place surrounded, we could actually dial up taxes on millionaires, billionaires and corporations even higher...back to what they once were in the 50's and 60's.

        这个是要求分大饼的。问题是,他们要求上调多少呢?不过这个最有可能和国会达到某种妥协。

        5.CONGRESS COMPLETELY REVAMP THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION and staff it at all levels with proven professionals who get the job done protecting the integrity of the marketplace so citizens and investors are both protected. This agency needs a large staff and needs to be well-funded. It's currently has a joke of a budget and is run by Wall St. insiders who often leave for high ticket cushy jobs with the corporations they were just regulating. Hmmm.

        也是金融管制的。老实说,这个是一个体制的问题。你换人,其实是换汤不换药。

        6.CONGRESS PASS SPECIFIC AND EFFECTIVE LAWS LIMITING THE INFLUENCE OF LOBBYISTS AND ELIMINATING THE PRACTICE OF LOBBYISTS WRITING LEGISLATION THAT ENDS UP ON THE FLOOR OF CONGRESS.

        针对lobbyist。问题是,他们对要怎么限制lobbyist的影响力,一点概念没有。

        7.CONGRESS PASSING "Revolving Door Legislation" LEGISLATION ELIMINATING THE ABILITY OF FORMER GOVERNMENT REGULATORS GOING TO WORK FOR CORPORATIONS THAT THEY ONCE REGULATED. So, you don't get to work at the FDA for five years playing softball with Pfizer and then go to work for Pfizer making $195,000 a year. While they're at it, Congress should pass specific and effective laws to enforce strict judicial standards of conduct in matters concerning conflicts of interest. So long as judges are culled from the ranks of corporate attorneys the 1% will retain control.

        这个要对付政府内腐败的问题。是一个好的提议。但是同样的,此路不通,我还是可以变着法儿去腐败你的。但至少这条要求是比较有针对性的。不觉得这个能在国会得到妥协。

        8.ELIMINATE "PERSONHOOD" LEGAL STATUS FOR CORPORATIONS. The film "The Corporation" has a great section on how corporations won "personhood status". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SuUzmqBewg . Fast-forward to 2:20. It'll blow your mind. The 14th amendment was supposed to give equal rights to African Americans. It said you "can't deprive a person of life, liberty or property without due process of law". Corporation lawyers wanted corporations to have more power so they basically said "corporations are people." Amazingly, between 1890 and 1910 there were 307 cases brought before the court under the 14th amendment. 288 of these brought by corporations and only 19 by African Americans. 600,000 people were killed to get rights for people and then judges applied those rights to capital and property while stripping them from people. It's time to set this straight.

        赫赫,这个如果通过,的确是一大胜利。你们觉得可能么?企业的法人地位,是整个美国企业文化的法律基石。你要釜底抽薪,就是要他们的命了。

        最后我再给你们添一把油。

        http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/

        这个是非官方的一些诉求,正在讨论中。可以看看可耐的美国群众真实的想法。

        Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

        这不就是赖账么?

        中国手中所持的美债。。。中国人民最好想想这场所谓“革命”对中国来说,价格是多少。

        你仔细看看他们的诉求,然后你告诉我,这能算是一场“革命”,我上井冈山大笑三声。

        天涯睡客:你是认为他们国内那个是一个战线

        • 家园 没有正确理论的引导,不会成功

          但很有潜力成为更大事件的导火索,前面还有一整个时代在等着美国人呢。

          中国要警醒,要吸取教训,未雨绸缪,稳住阵脚。

      • 家园 应了葡萄的予言:美国离社会主义只差一步

        但忠心希望这一步充满血腥、无它、要不上帝就太偏袒白人了、美帝吸的全世界人民的血必须吐出来、更何况即便美国变成社会主义国家、中美并不意味着和平共处的到来、斗争依旧只是形色会变。

        • 家园 美国变成社会主义国家,宣布取消旧美元,不承认前政府的承诺

          中国怎么办?

          如同1949年,中华人民共和国成立,不承认历届政府的对外的承诺和借款,美国又怎么办?

          • 家园 美国所有的强大与辉煌是两战后他的国家信誉

            在此基础上当他的出口经济下滑、财政赤字高涨及布雷顿森体系崩溃后、美元依然是全球第一大信用货币、强势美元能造就"强大"美军和"强大"政治宣传体系、后两者对维护国家信誉起辅助作用但拥有后两者却很难创立强势货币、看苏联就知道了、而今天美元的暴跌正是它处在一霸独超时代发生的、这也足以证明支持信用货币的实质是这个信用货币的综合实力、其中主要是他的生产力、而能有实力的信用货币的国家差不多都是贸易顺差国家的货币、因为它含金量高。

            如今全球国际大货币除美元外又出个欧元还有日元等、更不要说还有个刚露出冰山一角的未来超强货币-人民币。请问美元用什么与他们斗、用仅存的少的可怜的信用吗?那等于自杀。

            天要下雨、娘要嫁人、美国赖了中国的帐、美元必然成为地域货币、美元都倒下了欧元还能对抗人民币吗?曾经美元的利多、明天都人民币的红利、那时2万亿的损失就不必挂齿了、等我们强大了美国就不得不还钱了。

          • 家园 还真没辙

            美国想赖账就能赖账

            我们只能求着美国别这么公开的赖账

        • 家园 中国纵有老毛这种逆天人物最后还是被资本主义复辟了,美国能

          这么容易进入社会主义?那也来的太容易了,容易的没有人会相信,白日梦吧

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