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  • 家园 “爱心”后面的虚伪-熊胆之争的思考

    前一段时间曾经很热的活熊取胆汁新闻看了让山某很不舒服。不过不是因为看了“受苦受难”的熊,而是因为这么多人这么热衷于鼓噪不该让动物为了人类的利益受罪。在“大家”的口诛笔伐下,活熊取胆成了罔视人类道德标准,虐待动物的典型。加上更早时间的狗事件,山某实在是受不了这些打着伪善大旗以显示自己道德高尚的有闲阶层了。

    一个说法是熊胆早有替代品。以山某对中国山寨工业的了解,如果真是早有替代品,那最要紧的应该不是去打击出真品的养熊场,而是考虑怎样识别天然和人工制造的熊胆。资本是逐利的。开养熊场是为了赢利,而不是为了虐待动物。养熊场能赚钱直接说明市场上没有可以疗效可以相比的替代品。不单单是没有相近的,而且连差很多的都没有。不是在疗效上差很多就是在经济上差很多。否则,成本这么高的养熊场绝没有可能战胜山寨出来的替代品。

    第二个说法是活熊身上造瘘管取胆会使熊很“痛苦”。先把“痛苦”作为人类的一种感情是不是会在动物身上看到这个问题放一边。只是说造瘘早已是非常成熟的技术广泛地用在各种不同的病人身上了。造瘘解决一些病人的排泄问题,造瘘解决慢性病人常期供药问题,等等。以山某接触过的不多几个身上带瘘管的人来看,基本说法是身体很快就能适应身上带瘘管的不适。

    第三个说法是动物不该为人类的利益受到伤害或是遭受痛苦。山某想了很久也没有想出来人类的利益什么时候可以不经受痛苦或是伤害而得到。在这个问题上极端的有心脏移植。那是要别的人类受到最终的伤害-死亡才能得到的利益。其它的器官移植捐赠者也多会表现出各种不同的负面影响。这种为了一部分的利益而让另一部分人受到伤害,或是遭受痛苦基本上是人类社会的常态。比如说,把一部分人送到气候恶劣的地方站岗放哨为了另一部分人的和平生活,为了让一部分人生活的好一些而把另一些人杀掉,等等。事实上,每个人每天都在为不同的利益遭受痛苦或是受到伤害。打工的痛苦地日复一日的重复单调的工作,做老板痛苦地为企业的运作绞尽脑汁,学生在痛苦的学习,运动员在痛苦的训练。。。说天下没有免费的午餐可不是一句空话。当人类自己都做不到可以不受伤害或遭受痛苦地得到利益,更不要说动物了。

    高举一下这种虚伪的“爱心”大旗可以解脱很多人身上的社会责任。只要叫一叫爱护动物就可以心安理得的开自己的车,住自己的房,开自己的电灯,扔自己的垃圾,伤害着别人也被别人伤害着的活着。享受着现代文明带给自己的方便而不用去考虑正是这些人类的活动才是对动物的最大伤害。看到这些人“爱护动物”的嘴脸让山某想起来拿着刺刀的鬼子一直在叫的大东亚共荣圏。生活的地方被占了,食物被剥夺了,然后被爱护了。

    山某不是一个极端的环保主义者,只是很讨厌那些虚伪爱心们。于山某,人类的利益永远高于动物的利益。各种动物对于人来说,不过是一种资源。就象人对于熊来说也是一种资源。人会从动物身上获取利益,动物也会从人身上获取利益。不同的只是人类掌握了一种东西叫做智慧,所以动物在资源争夺中处于劣势。一旦优劣转换,熊决不会考虑人类有没有爱心来决定是不是用人来果腹。狗也一样。一群饿狗围上你的时候,决不会因为你叫他们一声哥们就放过你。凡是认为动物需要人类爱心的人是自欺,用来宣传则是在欺人。正确的态度是尊重,是感激。就象人们尊重和感谢为自己捐献器官的人一样。因为尊重,所以要取之有道。因为感激,所以不要过分。

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    • 家园 这个是加拿大一个素食公司,他们在多伦多地铁里面出现的招贴

      外链出处

      就是Why Love One But Eat the Other。

      他们比较了猫狗和猪鸡牛。问,为什么喜欢一种动物(猫狗)的同时,却要吃另一种(猪鸡牛)。西方国家对于其他国家吃一些他们认为是“可爱”的动物大放厥词,比如指责韩国和中国吃狗肉,但是自己吃的肉食,可是完全心安理得。

      还有就是这些动物在加拿大养殖场的悲惨遭遇,绝对用“残害生灵”还不够。相信和其他西方民主国家不会相差太多。

      外链出处

      下面转载一下。大家凑合着看看英语。

      Factory Farming in Canada

      Our sentimental image of pigs, chickens, and cows being raised on an idyllic family farm is seriously outdated. Over 95% of the 665 MILLION animals raised and slaughtered for food in Canada today are mass-produced on factory farms. Here they live their short lives indoors in intensive confinement systems, deprived of everything that is natural to them including sunlight, family, and even the ability to turn around. The horrific conditions that exist on Canada’s modern farms include animals being crammed by the thousands into filthy windowless sheds, wire cages, gestation crates, and other cruel confinement systems. These animals suffer staggering neglect, mutilation, genetic manipulation, and drug regimens that cause chronic pain and debilitation. During transport, many animals are beaten or shocked, and thousands die from overcrowding and extreme temperatures. Their tortured lives end in terror with violent and gruesome deaths in slaughterhouses across the country.

      Over 600 million chickens live and die in nightmarish conditions to supply Canadians with their meat and eggs. Thousands of broiler chickens at a time are crowded into dark and dirty warehouses where they have their beak tips amputated without anaesthetic, suffer ammonia burns and respiratory diseases from the vast amounts of urine and feces in the environment, are genetically bred to grow so large their skeletons become crippled under their own weight, and suffocate from intense overcrowding. In the factory farming environment, sick chickens are often totally neglected and left to be trampled to death or die of dehydration.

      Egg-laying chickens are arguably the most abused animals in the world. They are packed four to six hens at a time into wire battery cages that have a floor the size of a folded newspaper. They spend their lives never being able to spread their wings and barely able to move, standing on sloping wire floors and suffering feather loss and skin damage due to constant rubbing against the cage and cage-mates. Up to 20% of the hens raised under these conditions die of stress and disease. Male chicks have no value to the egg industry, so every year in Canada, tens of millions of chicks are ground up alive or tossed into bags to suffocate within hours of having hatched.

      The natural life span of a chicken is 15-20 years, but in factory farm production, egg-laying hens are killed at just 1 years of age and broiler chickens at 42 days of age or less.

      Most of Canada’s 14 million beef and dairy cows are treated as no more then mechanized parts of a food assembly line. Cows raised to become beef live their short lives on barren, manure-filled feedlots containing up to 40,000 cows. They endure branding, castration, and dehorning without anaesthetic. The feedlot air is so saturated with ammonia, methane, and other noxious chemicals from the build-up of feces that many of these cows suffer from chronic respiratory problems. To keep them alive in these unhealthy conditions and to make them grow faster, the cows are pumped full of drugs. Despite this, every year there are thousands of crippled or sick "downed" cattle that, unable to stand, are dragged with ropes and chains in order to deliver them to the slaughterhouse.

      It is easy to make the case that dairy cows are subjected to terrible abuse in the Canadian agribusiness system. They are often chained in stalls for their entire lives where they are fed and milked by machines and where even lying down can be problematic. The dairy cow is forced into a brutal repeated cycle of pregnancy and having her newborns taken away as young as a few hours old so the milk can be used for human consumption. This premature separation causes terrible stress and anxiety for both mother and calf: both will often cry for days or even weeks after being torn apart. Dairy cows are genetically bred to produce 10 times the amount of milk they would naturally produce, commonly resulting in painful mastitis (a bacterial infection of the udder) and lameness. Though cows can live up to 25 years, most dairy cows are only able to endure the hardships of producing such unnaturally high volumes of milk for around 3 years. At that point, she is referred to as a “cull cow” and is slaughtered for hamburger meat.

      Veal is a nasty by-product of the dairy industry as dairy cows are forced to continually birth calves to produce milk for human consumption and the male calves are of no use to dairy farmers. Many calves of dairy cows are killed soon after birth or are severely confined in tiny stalls or hutches – alone and barely able to move – before becoming veal at 1-3 months of age.

      In Canada each year, almost 30 million pigs endure a life of misery before heading to the dinner plate. Most pigs spend their too-short lives under the constant stress of living in cramped dark warehouses and never experiencing fresh air or the sun on their backs… until the day they are loaded onto trucks bound for slaughter. Piglets have their tails cut off, teeth clipped, ears notched, and are castrated all without any anaesthetic. Also, millions of unwanted piglets are killed inhumanely by PACing (Pounding Against Concrete) each year in Canada.

      Mother pigs (sows) spend their lives kept constantly pregnant and confined in 2-foot wide, metal gestation crates so small that for most of their lives they are barely able to move or even lie down comfortably. In this one tiny barren space, the naturally fastidious pig must eat, sleep, urinate and defecate, with her waste falling through slatted concrete floors into a pool of raw sewage underneath her. Sows in these stalls experience crippling leg disorders and suffer greatly from their life-long deprived environment.

    • 家园 老美大学教育养牛就在牛身上维持一个窗口

      具体的说就是用一个透明的东西取代一块牛皮,造成学生可以观察牛的内脏的教学效果,也可以伸手进去感觉牛的内脏达到教学目的

      当然了,也号称牛不疼

    • 家园 果然有人指出有问题

      老话说无利不起早看来是有道理的。没有利益,爱心真的没有这么大的能量。

      妖魔化熊胆背景复杂

    • 家园 讲的很有道理

      早前看到昆明拦狗也是一样,伪善的人举着道德的大旗大肆围攻不同立场的人,说不准那些人还拿着买来的狗养好了再卖呢!!!

    • 家园 开始我也是这么想的

      也曾经为双方找这样或那样的理由,但突然发现除了很多傻波依跟着起哄之外,真正鼓噪着“爱狗、爱熊、爱动物”的,其实不是爱护动物,而是觉得这些动物所赖以生存的体制有问题!这才是他们真正的目的。

      这些人抢先一步立个道德的牌坊,然后俯视众人,俯视体制。

      全然不觉得自己其实就是个婊子。

    • 家园 其实,保护狗是对其他动物的最大歧视

      退一步,如果这些保护狗的人都是vegan,我支持他们为了信仰而斗争。如果他们在吃鸡、猪、牛肉的同时,热泪盈眶的解救狗,我只能说“gun一边自娱自乐去。”

      • 家园 世界上最伟大的国家都不吃狗肉

        一天一个来自斐济的同事和一个朋友辩论起吃狗肉的问题,辩论来辩论去谁也没能取得明显的优势,最后她提出了最关键的论据,世界上最伟大的国家都不吃狗肉。于是朋友问她,那些国家是伟大的国家。她回答说加拿大,然后想了想,又加上一句,还有斐济。

    • 家园 应该是这样

      你有不吃狗肉的权力,我们也有吃狗肉的权力.

      所以看那些所谓的爱狗人士要求运狗的司机把狗放掉,

      我就感觉他们很不讲道理,你想有爱心,你把这些狗都买下来,相信那个司机是很乐意的,但你不买,还要人家放,你不是有病吗?

      打着爱心的名义,让别人承受损失,这是违背社会运行底线的.

    • 家园 呵呵,有些人有病而已

      或说是脑残?

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