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                  • 家园 Schliemann

                    Schliemann's magnificent residence in the city centre of Athens, the Iliou Melathron (Ιλίου Μέλαθρον, "Palace of Ilium") houses today the Numismatic Museum of Athens.

                    Along with Arthur Evans, Schliemann was a pioneer in the study of the Aegean civilization in the Bronze Age. The two men knew of each other, Evans having visited Schliemann's sites. Schliemann had planned to excavate at Knossos but died before fulfilling that dream. Evans bought the site and stepped in to take charge of the project, which was then still in its infancy.[citation needed]

                    Further excavation of the Troy site by others indicated that the level Schliemann named the Troy of the Iliad was inaccurate, although they retain the names given by Schliemann. In a 1998 article for The Classical World, D.F. Easton wrote that Schliemann "was not very good at separating fact from interpretation"[32] and claimed that, "Even in 1872 Frank Calvert could see from the pottery that Troy II had to be hundreds of years too early to be the Troy of the Trojan War, a point finally proven by the discovery of Mycenaean pottery in Troy VI in 1890."[32] "King Priam's Treasure" was found in the Troy II level, that of the Early Bronze Age, long before Priam's city of Troy VI or Troy VIIa in the prosperous and elaborate Mycenaean Age. Moreover, the finds were unique. The elaborate gold artifacts do not appear to belong to the Early Bronze Age.

                    His excavations were condemned by later archaeologists as having destroyed the main layers of the real Troy. Kenneth W. Harl, in the Teaching Company's Great Ancient Civilizations of Asia Minor lecture series, sarcastically claimed that Schliemann's excavations were carried out with such rough methods that he did to Troy what the Greeks could not do in their times, destroying and levelling down the entire city walls to the ground.[33]

                    In 1972, Professor William Calder of the University of Colorado, speaking at a commemoration of Schliemann's birthday, claimed that he had uncovered several possible problems in Schliemann's work. Other investigators followed, such as Professor David Traill of the University of California.[34]

                    A 2004 article of the National Geographic Society called into question Schliemann's qualifications, his motives, and his methods:

                    In northwestern Turkey, Heinrich Schliemann excavated the site believed to be Troy in 1870. Schliemann was a German adventurer and con-man who took sole credit for the discovery, even though he was digging at the site, called Hisarlik, at the behest of British archaeologist Frank Calvert. [...] Eager to find the legendary treasures of Troy, Schliemann blasted his way down to the second city, where he found what he believed were the jewels that once belonged to Helen. As it turns out, the jewels were a thousand years older than the time described in Homer's epic.[1]

                    A 2005 article presented similar criticisms, when reporting on a speech by University of Pennsylvania scholar C. Brian Rose:

                    German archaeologist Heinrich Schliemann was the first to explore the Mound of Troy in the 1870s. Unfortunately, he had had no formal education in archaeology, and dug an enormous trench "which we still call the Schliemann Trench," according to Rose, because in the process Schliemann "destroyed a phenomenal amount of material." [...] Only much later in his career would he accept the fact that the treasure had been found at a layer one thousand years removed from the battle between the Greeks and Trojans, and thus that it could not have been the treasure of King Priam. Schliemann may not have discovered the truth, but the publicity stunt worked, making Schliemann and the site famous and igniting the field of Homeric studies in the late 19th century. During this period he was criticized and ridiculed of claims to fathering an offspring with a local Assyrian Girl sparking infidelity and adultery which Schliemann did not confirm or deny. '[35]

                    Schliemann's methods have been described as "savage and brutal. He plowed through layers of soil and everything in them without proper record keeping—no mapping of finds, few descriptions of discoveries." Carl Blegen forgave his recklessness, saying "Although there were some regrettable blunders, those criticisms are largely colored by a comparison with modern techniques of digging; but it is only fair to remember that before 1876 very few persons, if anyone, yet really knew how excavations should properly be conducted. There was no science of archaeological investigation, and there was probably no other digger who was better than Schliemann in actual field work."[36]

                    In 1874, Schliemann also initiated and sponsored the removal of medieval edifices from the Acropolis of Athens, including the great Frankish Tower. Despite considerable opposition, including from King George I of Greece, Schliemann saw the project through.[37] The eminent historian of Frankish Greece William Miller later denounced this as "an act of vandalism unworthy of any people imbued with a sense of the continuity of history",[38] and "pedantic barbarism".[39]

                    • 家园 中国人里面有谁敢质疑他?

                      现在只有西方伪史论的人敢质疑他,甚至连报导西方自己质疑他的中国媒体都没有,你举的例子为什么是英文呢?因为中文世界不敢质疑。

                      另外,西方人质疑归质疑,他的挖掘“成果”呢?笑纳。

              • 家园 爱因斯坦是苏黎世理工学院物理硕士,苏黎世大学物理博士

                苏黎世理工学院是德语区最好的工科大学之一,前教育部副部长,前同济大学校长吴启迪就是该大学的博士,爱因斯坦是该大学物理硕士生。然后他在瑞士专利局任助理鉴定员,从事电磁发明专利申请的技术鉴定工作,完全可以说是继续在物理领域就业。在工作的同时,他在苏黎世大学获得物理博士学位。像他这样的物理专业人士在工作之余从事他感兴趣的物理领域研究是民科吗?

                • 家园 爱因斯坦在苏黎世联邦理工获得的学位是Diploma

                  1896年入学,1900年毕业, 所在的科系是师范系数理科,学习物理。这样的4年制学位你可以把它看成硕士,但是我觉得学士更恰当。他的成绩是全部第四,可是全班只有5个人。

                  1900年毕业后爱因斯坦没有找到合适的工作,1902年去了伯尼尔专利局的临时助理鉴定员,1903年转正。

                  在此之间,爱因斯坦所做的研究, 按照傲慢的中国学者的标准看来,肯定是民科了。 一个师范系的本科生,正规工作都没有,却要做物理研究。不是民科是什么?中国学者连一个博士生研究几何原本都要攻击人家不是数学专业,是民科。

                  在西方爱因斯坦能不能感受到歧视呢? 我想肯定也有。他1900年在极具权威性的德国《物理年鉴》发表论文《毛细现象的结论》,由于这篇论文的基本猜测不正确,肯定收到很多攻击,于是决定攻读博士。1901年他成为苏黎世大学实验物理学教授阿尔弗雷德·克莱纳的博士学生, 1905年获得博士学位。爱因斯坦是如何一边工作一边读博士的呢? 当然是张文宏大法,在职攻读博士。

                  所以爱因斯坦在他的研究早年,按照中国学者的标准,完全可以归入民科序列。

                  • 家园 我对德语大学还有点了解

                    德语区的大学制度比较类似,历史上只有大学(University, Universitaet),具体分为综合大学如苏黎世大学和工大如苏黎世联邦理工学院。一直到1960年代才出现应用技术大学(University of applied sciences, Fachhochschule)。大学和应用技术大学的大部分专业毕业时发Diplom,也就是你说的diploma。不过有明显的区分,大学的Diplom可以加(Uni)毕业生可以直接读博士。应用技术大学的毕业生的Diplom必须加注(FH),否则是欺骗行为,属于违法,FH的Diplom不可以直接读博士,要补好几门课后才取得读博资格。当年Diplom还盛行的时候,中国把大学的Diplom承认作硕士,FH的是本科。因此可以证明德语区大学University的Diplom应该等价于硕士。爱因斯坦就读的苏黎世理工属于一流的的大学,所以他的Diplom当然应该算硕士。

                    爱因斯坦获得博士学位的时候确实是瑞士专利局的三等技术专家,也就是说他在职读的博士。其实德语区传统的博士绝大部分是在职博士。这里不需要入学考试,只要Diplom的成绩达到中等水平就可以了,不需要上任何课程,读博期间没有发表论文的要求,只要博士论文过关就行,在校的博士生几乎都是教授领导的教研室的助教,这不是和国内的年轻教师读在职博士一样吗?不在学校当助教也可以读博,那也是在职博士。

                    综合起来说,爱因斯坦在苏黎世理工获得了Diplom这个硕士学位,其毕业成绩也保证了他的读博资格。之后他在瑞士专利局当三级技术专家,业余从事物理方面的学术工作,并在1905年在苏黎世大学获得博士学位。他是物理科班出身,一直没有离开这一领域,不是民科。

                    通宝推:达雅,
                    • 家园 你是拿今天5~7年的Diplom来套当年的Diplom

                      爱因斯坦参加的只有4年的学制,Diplom是出来的第一个学位,可是说是理工科的最低一级学位,和今天的学士学位相同。

                      • 家园 德语区的学制非常弹性

                        今天的Diplom标准学期数是9个学期,不是5-7年,基础阶段4个学期,专业阶段4个学期,毕业论文1个学期。德语区的大学没有围墙,没有班级,每人根据自己的情况和进度选课和登记考试,因此也没有年级,英语里的freshman, sophomore, junior, senior在德语里没有对应的词。所以每人用时差距很大,好的学生在标准时间内完成,一般的学生在12个学期左右,各专业情况有区别,机械平均用时最长,14学期。德国评价一个大学生是否优秀两个标准,分别是成绩和用时。

                        爱因斯坦四年也就是8个学期毕业,说明他比较优秀。他拿到Diplom后可以直接攻博,说明他那个时代的Diplom也等价于硕士,而不是本科。

                        我当年一个德国女同学,学统计学的。用了5个学期拿到Diplom,再用了3个学期拿到博士,读博期间还顺便生了个孩子。不过她读博时拿奖学金,可以专注于博士论文,所以比较快。

                        • 家园 你还是用今天的情况套当年

                          爱因斯坦同班同学一共6个,4年后毕业了5个,有一个是他老婆,被留级一年。很显然,当年的学制不像今天的学制。

                          爱因斯坦的成绩排名倒数第二,说好肯定说不上。

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