主题：【原创】即使没有文革,中国经济也不会提前进入第二世界 -- 葡萄
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收藏了，谢谢葡萄兄。
Southern states believed that it was their natural right to choose to stay or leave the union.
Northern states believed that the union was nonrevocable.
When 13 states formed the Union, the slavery provision in the Constitution was a compromise to accommodate the Southerners.This issue became the explosive when Abraham Lincoln was elected. Competiting point: new states should be non-slavery or not.
Of course, one can argue that it is a battle between Northern capitalists and Southern plantation owners. That's the Chinese textbook version, because everything was interpretted there as a class struggle.
But my questions:
1.The line was drawn between slave states vs. non-slave states (38 degree latitude line) not industrialized vs. non-industrialized. Virginia was more industrialized, but joined the south. Maryland was also industrialized, but a slave state and was occupied by the federal troops to thwart the secession attempt.
2. After the war, Southern states were still the poorest non-industrialized part of America, as the largest cotton exporter to the British empire and the world. US South still accounted for 1/3 of global cotton consumption (mainly to the British textile manufacturers). It was not industrialized by North until 1960s, when labor union pushed the big companies to move south for non-unionized workers.
3.Black Americans actually were never a major source of Northern industry labor forces until World War II, when for the first time, women and black minorities were attracted to the Northern industry plants.
4.(by me) 北方解決勞動力短缺是靠歐洲移民. 內戰之前主來源地是愛爾蘭與德國. 當時有不少北方士兵來自于剛下船的愛＼德人，后者往往違英文命令都聽不懂.小時候中國歷史課本一直把南北戰爭歸因于資本家需要南方的黑人labor--及南方的工業品市場, 是資本主義與南方種植園農業主義的斗爭.
但這一中式理論很難解釋為什么戰爭結束后北方工業界并不喜歡用南方黑人, 雖然后者有了人身自由.而且內戰后南方是赤貧, 一直到１８７７年才緩過勁來. 也沒多少需求.美國ヱ業化成功的市場需求來自于貴通東西二岸后的大需求.
From Wiki, "In the presidential election of 1860, the Republican Party, led by Abraham Lincoln, had campaigned against the expansion of slavery beyond the states in which it already existed. The Republican victory in that election resulted in seven Southern states declaring their secession from the Union even before Lincoln took office on March 4, 1861. Both the outgoing and incoming U.S. administrations rejected secession, considering it rebellion."
not up to millions.
It was not a populuous nation then.
整個墨西哥, the slaughters had nothing to do with industrialization at all.
It was casualty due to invasion.
George Washington was the mastermind of Indian slaughter ever since USA was founded.
Before that, French America, did that even 400 years ago (Jean Chartier, Mon. Chomedy de Maisonneuve).
At that time, America was totally an agricultural economy.
不要阿狗阿貓都往工業化上套.
这一点并不随着技术的改进而褪色，或者说总是需要一个信仰的，无论是对什么。
America? Canada? Belgium? Holland? Sweden？
对了，关于加拿大。国内所谓中国应该殖民地三百年的话题，在学界一直是有其市场的。
--Can you be more specific. Because I do not know what are your viewpoints so it is difficult to start.
瑞典王室的话题，怎么说呢。波动的是上层。我的话题是把这个忽略了。
不过荷兰和比利时..........在共和国时代他们原本是一个国家。
--荷兰和比利时的分立與ユ業化沒關系, 講荷語的國王強推荷浯的官方語地位(1830)是造成布魯塞爾為中心的Wallonians(french speaking)反抗的原因. 1815后的Holland-Bel is different from the United Nations of the Nederlands. The former was an artificial creature out of the defeat of Napoleon France. The first king was imposed by the British royal family.
我對荷／比很了解,1830分立純是一個語言問題. 到現在, 比國內仍是鬧得不共戴天, 這回是荷語人占上風.
兄臺才高八斗,吾不及甚遠.但不宜說話得絕對化,因為我們都有還不甚知之處. 也不必文過飾非,硬把所有現象套一個理論框架內.
Sometimes, we need to be a bit suspicious of the Chinese books published or translated in China. In our high school textbooks, the French revolution was praised as the great 資產階級革命的勝利, while I found the Frenchmen viewed this event quite differently compared with the Chinese.
有什么现实的利益纠葛吗？
就是你很会说也不应该张咀就来吧?
捧毛捧到无X的地步.把文革都捧上了.就是没文革中国也进不了二世界,也不必要搞一个串联批斗武斗不上学不开工红宝书忠字舞最高指示不过夜7亿人看8台戏的革命吧?
现实刺激你粉上了过去,也不要不分青红把现在的一切成就都归于那个过去.
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说白了，就是要创造性运用马列主义。这个见识真不是一般的高。
姑姑和父亲均为知青。
姑姑在山西当时她身体不好，所以被调去当地小学教书，当时所在的学校老师大部分为插队知青。
而除了知青当地很难找到来教书的“文化人”。
父亲在东北，兼任赤脚医生同时教授当地孩子数学(二中出身，数学学的不错)
大量的当时知青下乡之后，能找到的最轻松差事就是教书了。
8月15日是印度独立日62周年（和抗战胜利同日，呵呵），学校里的印度同学举办了一个纪念活动。我去凑了个热闹。看见印度人自己做的一个宣传片，什么来头忘了。画面是一群汉子骑着马挥着印度国旗在山川田野上跑过，一个鼻子上穿了三个环的黑瘦妇女在远处注目。旁白介绍印度有史以来的精英人士，包括甘地还有古代发明数字“0”的人等等，归结到最后的中心思想是：
诞生过如此多精英的印度是多么的有希望。